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Originally Posted by KRAAG View Post

I'm unsure if you understood the title of this thread or not?
Automated crash reporting can't be disabled, which is what the interview is about. Website prefetching and inking/voice recognition stuff can be, however. Cortana saves a terrifying amount of stuff about you to improve its usability, so the cost of its convenience is privacy--disable Cortana's data vault and 10 only worries about programs crashing.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Sorry but the $87.56 in your bank account is not worth anything to MS and is certainly not worth their executives going to prison. I mean, for Christ sake people... rolleyes.gif

Just like sheep thinking that gaining access to thousands in accounts (my banking activity) not yours sunshine, seems ludicrous to penny--pinchers who have difficulty earning more than 2 Grand a week.

For the bludgers out there, they have nothing to lose but others who work hard for their living deserve to keep their money safe from unauthorized account theft.

My money is valuable hence no access allowed to Redmond and having them copy my details to safely store in some place which in turn can be accessed by anyone, is something truly horrific. In any sense of the word you simply don't use Windows 10 to do your personal banking with and have now moved on over to BSD for all my future banking activities.
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Originally Posted by irced View Post

They do provide the option of turning it off, though. It's hidden during setup, which is bad, but the average end user is also the kind of monkey who clicks X on every prompt that pops up when a crash happens, so they're the exact type of person who MS wants automated telemetry data from.

I thought the whole point of this thread was that the option you're talking about doesn't actually turn it off.

You're right about the clicking though, and that was what I was trying to say.

Option 1: During Win 10 setup, provide a clearly worded explanation of exactly what info is set to MS, how it benefits users (eg. improves cortana experience, aids in bugfixing), but also explain that this can be completely disabled if the user desires via Control Panel X Y (and actually include such an option). The outcome? A tiny minority of users will go straight to that option and disable it, but the vast majority will be content to ignore it. Maybe some of them were just lazy, but at least you did your best to inform them. You still get tons of data and everyone is happy.

Option 2: Deliberately obscure options, make them only semi-functional, hide the information about what's actually being collected in a wall of Ts&Cs. The outcome? Above mentioned minority gets uptight and vocal, and suddenly a large portion of the other users, who would not have cared otherwise, become worried. Bad publicity for you (MS), unhappy users, confusion and fear, all for the sake of collecting data from that last 5% of machines (that you won't get now anyway, because their owners have renounced Windows 10).

PS i'm not trying to be dismissive of the people who have privacy concerns.
Edited by Oubadah - 11/2/15 at 8:56pm
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What happens when this data mining center gets hacked?
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

This is just pure, undiluted paranoia. Seriously? You think MS is trying to steal people's bank accounts? rolleyes.gif

all the data goes in to a pool.

just like the nsa's mass surveillance that data can be abused.

and as we've seen with the nsa has been abused.

when people are involved it's usually an accident waiting to happen.

what if someone breaks in to that data pool?

nah that's never happened before.

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What happens when this data mining center gets hacked?

Probably the hackers will find themselves with a vast collection of innocuous bug reports (at least for the mandatory data mining).

As for the personal assistant type data, well the hackers might find something in that, but the user has the option to disable that type of mining if they want.
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But given Windows 10 is better than Windows 7 and Windows 8, why would that be a problem?

How's that DTS Connect bug-fix coming along?

Uh-huh...thought so..
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Do we even know if you can do a CPU swap yet?
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all the data goes in to a pool.

just like the nsa's mass surveillance that data can be abused.

and as we've seen with the nsa has been abused.

when people are involved it's usually an accident waiting to happen.

what if someone breaks in to that data pool?

nah that's never happened before.

rolleyes.gif

That's similar the NSW firearms laws in Australia, firearms sellers [gun shops] are required by law to take the names, addresses and firearms licence numbers from ANY person that buys a firearm OR ammunition in a gun shop in NSW.

What happens when that gun shop gets raided by criminals who go STRAIGHT for that book of names addresses and what the customer has in their gun safe?

Also, there is NOTHING but morals stopping that gun shop owner from SELLING that information to the police/a criminal for profit.
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Do we even know if you can do a CPU swap yet?

At worst you phone MS activation line, talk to a bot and reactivate manually.
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