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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

A lot of people come here and they think that by poasting their politically correct posts they are somehow better than those who want their rights.

"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." What is that nonsense?

If you have nothing to hide you have no problem with camera's in your house watching you all the time.
If you have nothing to hide you have no locks on your door.
If you have nothing to hide you will give us your details so we can make sure you've never done anything that can be construed as wrong ever.

But these things don't apply to them, it applies to us, who want to retain and even strengthen our rights. They are hypocrites who have no clue what they are talking about.

I am not completely disagreeing with you but the way you took it to the extreme is part of the problem. Someone saying they have nothing to hide with their browsing habits, crash reports, hardware statistics etc. is absolutely nothing like saying it's ok to have a camera in your house with a live feed to somewhere. You don't lock your doors to hide things, you lock them to prevent someone from stealing them.

Security and privacy do not have to be one extreme or the other. There is a middle ground that many of us live in, we sacrifice some security for convenience (i.e shopping online, having a mailbox at our residence, online banking). In order to do these things you have to place a certain amount of trust in the companies you are dealing with. For many of us we place a certain amount of trust that Microsoft is only gathering pertinent crash report data once we disable the other data gathering functions. the way I see it, if I am willing to use Gmail and other Google services, then I should have no issue with using Windows 10 with cortana and all that other crap turned off.

Using Windows 10 does not turn me into someone who cares nothing about security and privacy. It does not mean that I choose to leave my door unlocked all the time (although I often do) and it certainly does not mean that I would allow cameras in my home with a feed back to uncle sam (or whatever your governments nickname is). I wouldn't even have security cameras that used my network or cloud services, hard wired closed loop is what I use.
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I am not completely disagreeing with you but the way you took it to the extreme is part of the problem. Someone saying they have nothing to hide with their browsing habits, crash reports, hardware statistics etc. is absolutely nothing like saying it's ok to have a camera in your house with a live feed to somewhere. You don't lock your doors to hide things, you lock them to prevent someone from stealing them.

Security and privacy do not have to be one extreme or the other. There is a middle ground that many of us live in, we sacrifice some security for convenience (i.e shopping online, having a mailbox at our residence, online banking). In order to do these things you have to place a certain amount of trust in the companies you are dealing with. For many of us we place a certain amount of trust that Microsoft is only gathering pertinent crash report data once we disable the other data gathering functions. the way I see it, if I am willing to use Gmail and other Google services, then I should have no issue with using Windows 10 with cortana and all that other crap turned off.

Using Windows 10 does not turn me into someone who cares nothing about security and privacy. It does not mean that I choose to leave my door unlocked all the time (although I often do) and it certainly does not mean that I would allow cameras in my home with a feed back to uncle sam (or whatever your governments nickname is). I wouldn't even have security cameras that used my network or cloud services, hard wired closed loop is what I use.

There is a difference between trusting a company with a financial transaction and another recording everything you do, even when you tell them not to.

MS have no business storing Bitlocker passwords on their servers unless they intend to use them. They have no reason to record every search, even if it's offline. It's none of their business you were searching for a photo of your dog or the kids or whatever. They have no business knowing which films you watch nor is it their business to know which keys you've pressed.

Targeted ads work only if the OS is free, which it isn't. So in the end we will be paying for the pleasure of MS spying on us and I find it entirely unacceptable. It is a security threat and MS have now made Bitlocker an insecure part of Windows. While I wasn't using it anyway I would recommend anyone who has to stop as it's simply not safe with MS having total control over your passwords. All law enforcement need to do is demand MS give it and they will comply and anything you have stored will be accessible to them. This is a grave threat to privacy and security, allowing them to map your entire life to minute details.
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The way some of you talk about Microsoft you'd think they weren't even human. That the company is composed of the best employees ever. They never get upset, fired or anything else. Their security is top rate. Nothing can match it. With Microsoft watching your data no hacker will ever be able to access it. They will never make any mistakes and expose anything.

If anyone believes that and calls me paranoid then my only resort is to label them as galible.
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All law enforcement need to do is demand MS give it and they will comply and anything you have stored will be accessible to them..

Hell I like this idea. Imagine robbing a bank, but running a bot on your machine to trick the machine into thinking your on your computer, browsing around. But your busy robbing that bank.

Now I can use my sensitive stored data at Microsoft to give me that alibi I have always dreamed of.

Stupid Microsoft lol
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There is a difference between trusting a company with a financial transaction and another recording everything you do, even when you tell them not to.

MS have no business storing Bitlocker passwords on their servers unless they intend to use them. They have no reason to record every search, even if it's offline. It's none of their business you were searching for a photo of your dog or the kids or whatever. They have no business knowing which films you watch nor is it their business to know which keys you've pressed.

Targeted ads work only if the OS is free, which it isn't. So in the end we will be paying for the pleasure of MS spying on us and I find it entirely unacceptable. It is a security threat and MS have now made Bitlocker an insecure part of Windows. While I wasn't using it anyway I would recommend anyone who has to stop as it's simply not safe with MS having total control over your passwords. All law enforcement need to do is demand MS give it and they will comply and anything you have stored will be accessible to them. This is a grave threat to privacy and security, allowing them to map your entire life to minute details.

That is of course making the assumption that when you turn off those features they aren't really being turned off. The only thing you can't turn off has nothing to do with your day to day searches and what movies you watch. If they are in fact gathering that data after the user has turned those features off and denied the permission to gather it then there will most likely be a huge class action lawsuit some time next year.
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nvm.
Edited by Assirra - 11/6/15 at 10:18pm
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Can someone explain to me why are they trying so hard to force win10 down our throats? The privacy issue would have been 10 times smaller they didnt want to make the upgrade mandatory for everyone.

Are we not able to choose anymore?
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Can someone explain to me why are they trying so hard to force win10 down our throats? The privacy issue would have been 10 times smaller they didnt want to make the upgrade mandatory for everyone.

Are we not able to choose anymore?

another reason
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Can someone explain to me why are they trying so hard to force win10 down our throats? The privacy issue would have been 10 times smaller they didnt want to make the upgrade mandatory for everyone.

Are we not able to choose anymore?

Beyond the marketing data that could be gathered with the more open settings. Security and functionality of the system itself, allow me......

The majority of users tend to ignore crash reporting, almost never patch, and generally have terrible system management habits. Part of the reason Apple's OSX tends to be butter smooth is the fact that it handles a lot of this for you. Apple realized long ago that (just being honest) you can't trust the end user to take care of their computers. Then again, why should they? Why can't the OS itself take care of general house keeping?

By going to one homogeneous platform, with these new policies, you can absolutely expect the user experience to come up. There isn't any reason Windows 10 couldn't be the most secure and smoothest OS from Microsoft. Especially now that Microsoft will have event data sent to them when things do break and go wrong in the system.

Error reports and logs were created for a reason. Yet damn near everyone ignores it. I don't know how many times over the many years I have heard "Oh, that error actually means something?" from a person when working on their systems.

The "privacy" issue is just hot button, and is being blown well out of proportion. Yes, the most open of settings are pretty damn open, but you can close them out and your system is just sending diagnostic data really.

t;l;dr: Aside from the $$$ reason, system stability and security will benefit. Error reporting is hugely important.
    
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so looking further to shut down telemetry in Win10 enterprise LTSB N :
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208(v=vs.85).aspx

yeah ya gotta dig to turn off everything in an edition that your suppose to be able to rolleyes.gif

but at the bottom:
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How is telemetry information handled by Microsoft?

Collection

Information gathered by the telemetry client complies with Microsoft’s security and privacy policies, as well as international laws and regulations. Only those who can demonstrate a valid business need can access the telemetry info.

Data Transfer

All telemetry info is encrypted during transfer from the device to the Microsoft Data Management Service.

Microsoft Data Management Service

The Microsoft Data Management Service routes information to internal cloud storage, where it's compiled into business reports for analysis and research. Sensitive info is stored in a separate data store that’s locked down to a small subset of Microsoft employees in the Windows Devices Group. The privacy governance team permits access only to people with a valid business justification.

Usage

Information is used by teams within Microsoft to provide, improve, and personalize experiences, and for security, health, quality, and performance analysis.

An example of personalization is to create individually tailored in-product messages.

Microsoft doesn’t share organization-specific customer information with third parties, except at the customer’s direction or for the limited purposes described in the privacy statement. However, we do share business reports with partners that include aggregated, anonymous telemetry information. Decisions to share info are made by an internal team that includes privacy, legal, and data management professionals.

Retention
Microsoft believes in and practices information minimization, so we only gather the info we need, and we only store it for as long as it’s needed to provide a service or for analysis. Much of the info about how Windows and apps are functioning is deleted within 30 days. Other info may be retained longer, particularly if there is a regulatory requirement to do so. Info is typically gathered at a fractional sampling rate, which for some client services, can be as low as 1%.

i love:
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An example of personalization is to create individually tailored in-product messages.

i wonder how much it would cost me to have MS provide one of those messages? based on user experience of course tongue.gif
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