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Steam OS actually has some pretty big titles showing up. The last titles I really need on Linux are Just Cause 3 and Star Citizen, and then I'll be down to just using Windows on a laptop for productivity programs.

What makes you think that Valve is above data mining though? They already data mine via the Steam client. I would trust them less than Microsoft, and I would consider moving from Win10 to Steam OS to be "cutting off my nose to spite my face", because even though I don't like the way MS is stripping choice/flexibility out of Windows, it's still an order of magnitude more flexible and useful than Steam OS. For example, only now is MS getting draconian about forcing updates, but forced updates has been a Valve specialty for years.
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but no im sure microsoft has that all covered.
What else do all those companies also have in common?

They're not companies that sell enterprise database software, and having homegrown software that's easily exploited is bad for business. Azure's MS's fastest growing group, and they'd murder their profits if it turned out that Azure wasn't secure. The most success I've seen somebody level against MS's network infrastructure is DDOSing XBL for a couple weeks.

Also, I've had a weird issue with nvidia drivers where the start menu just stops rendering. If you log out it fixes it, but that never happened before the last driver drop.
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Honestly, if windows 10 gave me the option to control my system the way I see fit, I would have upgraded long ago.

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What else do all those companies also have in common?

They're not companies that sell enterprise database software, and having homegrown software that's easily exploited is bad for business. Azure's MS's fastest growing group, and they'd murder their profits if it turned out that Azure wasn't secure. The most success I've seen somebody level against MS's network infrastructure is DDOSing XBL for a couple weeks.

Also, I've had a weird issue with nvidia drivers where the start menu just stops rendering. If you log out it fixes it, but that never happened before the last driver drop.

oracle, ibm, and amazon have enterprise class database software and all were broken in to.

it's not a question of if, it's a question of when.

as well as SAP
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Thanks.
I've done that once before and I guess that's not so bad.

As a side note: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2363780/software-games/linux-gaming-rising-7-big-name-pc-games-that-now-call-linux-home.html

Steam OS actually has some pretty big titles showing up. The last titles I really need on Linux are Just Cause 3 and Star Citizen, and then I'll be down to just using Windows on a laptop for productivity programs.
As much as I love Linux, that list is rather sketchy. Borderlands 2/Pre-Sequel and Civ 5 both have reduced graphics (Civ 5 rather severely) and the Borderlands titles pull roughly half the fps on the same hardware. Those are just the games I specifically know about. Many Valve Linux ports suffer from these kinds of issues.

Sadly, for many, Linux gaming is just not there yet.
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all the data goes in to a pool.

just like the nsa's mass surveillance that data can be abused.

and as we've seen with the nsa has been abused.

when people are involved it's usually an accident waiting to happen.

what if someone breaks in to that data pool?

nah that's never happened before.

rolleyes.gif

The NSA broken into, that is funny. There really is no honour among thieves.

The NSA's data pool was set up to map the world and that's what it does. Every call, click, everything is being recorded to create a map of society and people for what intent? When you figure it out you will know that what they do is far beyond abuse. If the Stasi had these tools they wouldn't have needed so many spies.
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The NSA broken into, that is funny. There really is no honour among thieves.

The NSA's data pool was set up to map the world and that's what it does. Every call, click, everything is being recorded to create a map of society and people for what intent? When you figure it out you will know that what they do is far beyond abuse. If the Stasi had these tools they wouldn't have needed so many spies.

no i meant that the employees at the nsa used the software to lookup old girlfriend and what not.

i am just saying when there is an opportunity for abuse there will be abuse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14G20130927

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/27/5-americans-who-used-nsa-facilities-to-spy-on-lovers
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1. Man spies on nine women over a five-year period.

Between 1998 and 2003, a man listened to the phone conversations of nine different women, all of them foreigners. He got caught when a woman he was sleeping with started to suspect he was spying on her and notified U.S. authorities. On two occasions, he "incidentally collected the communications of a U.S. person." The man was suspended without pay, and resigned before further disciplinary action could be brought against him.

2. Woman spies on prospective boyfriends to make sure they're not "shady characters."

In 2011, a woman used NSA surveillance facilities to spy on her "foreign-national boyfriend and other foreign nationals." She admitted that it "was her practice to enter foreign national phone numbers she obtained in social settings" into the NSA's surveillance system to "ensure that she was not talking to 'shady characters.' " She resigned before she could be disciplined.

3. Man checks whether girlfriend is "involved with any government officials."

In 2003, a man spied on his non-American girlfriend for a month to see whether she was "involved with any [local] government officials or other activities that might get [the man] in trouble." It's not clear if the surveillance involved intercepting telephone calls or just accessing calling records. He admitted his actions to investigators in 2005, but he was allowed to retire before disciplinary action was taken against him.

4. Woman spies on husband to see if he's cheating on her.

In 2004, a woman admitted that she had spied on a "foreign telephone number she had discovered in her husband's cellular phone because she suspected that her husband had been unfaithful." The spying included intercepting call audio. The woman resigned before facing disciplinary action.

5. Man spies on his American ex-girlfriend, says he was just practicing.

On his first day of access to the NSA's surveillance system, a man spied on six e-mail addresses belonging to an ex-girlfriend. The NSA caught him four days later. He claimed that he "wanted to practice on the system and had decided to use this former girlfriend's e-mail addresses." He claimed not to have read anyone's e-mail. He was demoted, assigned 45 days of extra work, lost half his pay for two months, and was denied a security clearance.

you can't make this stuff up.
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Websites use cookies and ad companies track your movements and parse your mail for targeted ads. Is this all that surprising? When something is free, you are the product. If you believe it is wrong, stop using it.

    Yours, not mine.  My cookies are all deleted each time I close my web browser, and I'm using a plugin that blocks 3rd-party tracking.  If I want a fresh start, I just close my web browser and reopen it.  Walla, they can no longer distinguish me from the other half-dozen Firefox users on my network.  My mail is not being parsed for targeted ads.  In fact I can't remember the last time I received an unsolicited email advertisement from anyone, or saw an ad online (while browsing emails) related to a project I had emailed someone about.  Amazon is the only company that sends me targeted content; and if I don't want them to "pick-up" on a certain research project, I simply sign out before commencing.

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Paranoid much.... just go get your tinfoil hat and take your magic pill. MS doesnt care about your logins enough to WANT to bother with gathering them. Sometimes when people say core data they mean coredata and thats 10 levels away from any text you write

    Acually, they do care about your logins.  Ever notice the big push to use a Microsoft Account to login?  Signins made using a Microsoft account authenticate with Microsoft servers.  This information is logged, and Microsoft can even disable your computer remotely by denying authentication.  I can't say if they are syncing website login credentials between devices yet (never tried it, and don't plan on it); but if they are, that would indicate that they have that information too.
 
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Websites use cookies and ad companies track your movements and parse your mail for targeted ads. Is this all that surprising? When something is free, you are the product. If you believe it is wrong, stop using it.


As long as I pay my ISP, the internet is free for me to use.... Yet I can install Ghostery onto my browser and largely disappear from internet tracking.

I have nothing important to hide, but at the end of the day, there's a reason my PC is set up in a private house and not on the edge of a public road - I want my space and privacy
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For those people that think that this is all inevitable and are without a doubt either too naive or too willing to accept what corporations are telling them as fact (no, basic telemetry isn't "vital" to the operation of Windows 10, it is vital to match your installed applications to their suggested apps ads in the Start menu though, but they won't say it like that because not being hypocritical is not in their plans), here are two articles from the past few days:


Tom's: Emerging Cyber Threats For 2016, According To Georgia Tech Institute Of Technology
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The Georgia Institute of Technology put together a list of its top four cybersecurity threats for 2016. These include the ever-expanding list of technology companies that are weakening privacy, the growth of Internet of Things (IoT) devices that aren't secure, a lack of well-trained security professionals, and cyber espionage.

And the first item on the list is.... yep, it's what this thread is about:
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Weakening Of Privacy

The researchers said that individuals today are increasingly more pressured to sign-up for "take it or leave it" privacy policies in which they have to give up tremendous amounts of data in order to be able to use the service at all.

There is little to no flexibility and control given to the users to choose to give part of the data in exchange for a portion of the service, for instance. Mobile devices have made it worse by constantly tracking our locations, as well.

Worse still is the fact that access to data is given to third-party companies that the users of the service may not even be aware of, and with which they have no prior relationship.




The Tech Report: Friday night topic: Should we all be paranoid now?
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I just finished reading Walter Kirn's article in The Atlantic about mass surveillance and privacy issues, entitled If you're not paranoid, you're crazy. Kirn explores the extent to which advertisers and governments have been collecting and using data on our habits—the things we already know—and asks whether freedom is compatible with today's tools of surveillance and the ways they're wielded.

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Kirn's article includes a bit of scaremongering and takes a few shortcuts, but the questions it raises—about how the new tools of constant data collection are changing the world around us—are still worth considering.

And I agree about one thing. I've already apologized to at least one paranoid, Linux-using acquaintance in light of our creeping awareness of the extent of state surveillance. I had judged things wrongly. Given the potential for abuse made possible by new technology, paranoia sometimes does seem like a rational response to the current situation.

The above is coming from none other than TR's owner, Scott Wasson. Also, the article on the Atlantic is the cover article of the magazine. People are paying attention and this is all but inevitable.
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