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Too bad there's no price comparison in that list. Knowing what each speed costs would give you a good indication on whether or not it's worth upgrading. Still an interesting bit of info though. Thank you.
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Sheesh, looks like DDR4 timings are a lot more crippling than I initially thought.

However some of the results in this chart make no sense to me, for example there is a DDR3-1866 CL9-9-9-28 being slightly out performed by a DDR3-1866 with CL10-9-9-28, guess it could be margin of error though...
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Really interesting and cool results!

Although I must say, I kind of expected the higher speed DDR4 like 2400MHz 16-15-15-32 and higher to separate more in terms of increased speed from DDR3 2400MHz at 11-11-31 in Gaming.
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Another test:

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8

 

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 Moving from a standard DDR3-2133 C11 kit to DDR4-2133 C15, just by looking at the numbers, feels like a downgrade despite what the rest of the system is. Ideally we want the first number, the frequency, to be high and the second number, the latency, to be low. After spending several years dealing with DDR3, moving to DDR4 feels a bit of a backwards step when you look at solely the numbers on paper.
 
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In the gaming tests, similarly there are more +3% on the side of DDR4. If we do a direct comparison regardless of the percentage, DDR4 wins 11 times compared to DDR3 getting 8, and almost of DDR3’s wins are minor except for two-way SLI. It would seem that for two-way SLI DDR4 at least brings up some of the minimum frame rates.
 
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Overall, comparing DDR4 to DDR3, there is little difference to separate the two. In a couple of small instances one is better than the other, but on those edge cases it might be prudent to say that we cannot make a final decision until we can synchronize the rest of the system, such as the size of CPU caches. When we can perform such tests, we will run some more numbers.

Basically, not much at the same speeds even if DDR4 has higher latency #s. Some minor trades though there are a few relative outliers.

 

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Always told people RAM speed matters in CPU limiting games.
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RAM speed matters since CPU performance is dependent on RAM to some degree. I can't see people buying DDR3 1600 any more since 2133 costs a fraction more and in GTA5 min/avg fps difference between the two was 4fps. With 2666/2400 DDR3 kits it grows to 6-7 fps, which is the difference between a 970 and 980 or 390X and Fury X in some games (!)
According to this DDR4 is not wort getting over high speed DDR3, and it doesn't seem it could've been some other sort of bottlenck since they're testing on 980ti/6700k @1080p.
Edited by Klocek001 - 11/3/15 at 8:22am
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Sheesh, looks like DDR4 timings are a lot more crippling than I initially thought.

However some of the results in this chart make no sense to me, for example there is a DDR3-1866 CL9-9-9-28 being slightly out performed by a DDR3-1866 with CL10-9-9-28, guess it could be margin of error though...

Most of those lists are "margin of error". If this is showing us anything, it's that there is not much of a difference with RAM when it comes to gaming.
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Most of those lists are "margin of error". If this is showing us anything, it's that there is not much of a difference with RAM when it comes to gaming.
7 fps difference between min/avg of 2133 and 3000 ddr4 not enough ? this is more than usually separates Fury and Fury X.

Sometimes even 4-5 fps can be a big difference, like 57fps vs 62fps. I'd pay the price of a 3000 kit to stay over 60 fps.
Edited by Klocek001 - 11/3/15 at 8:32am
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Looks like ddr3 2400 cas 9 is the best tradeoff between price,performance, and compatibility.
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