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The VG248QE is a horrible monitor, especially compared to the LG 24GM77 which sells for 280-300$ even though it is much better than the other budget 144hz options. 60hz is 60hz; an IPS panel will look much better, but higher refresh rates and F/G-Sync are unparalleled in terms of the way they enhance gaming.

It's not that horrible, after i removed the AG coating and got it calibrated properly it actually looks pretty good for a TN. Today though if i was to be buying a 24" 144hz monitor it would probably be whatever comes close to the 24GM77 but has gsync/freesync.
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It's not that horrible, after i removed the AG coating and got it calibrated properly it actually looks pretty good for a TN. Today though if i was to be buying a 24" 144hz monitor it would probably be whatever comes close to the 24GM77 but has gsync/freesync.

Very funny/obviously biased. The VG248QE has horrible Lightboost colours (low gamma and very high colour temperature=strong blue tint) and contrast (<450:1), below average contrast and gamma at 144hz with Lightboost disabled, and uses PWM which ruins motion clarity and makes the 144hz refresh rate mostly pointless compared to the newer PWM free options. It's not worth the 150$ expense to buy a decent colorimeter (not inaccurate Spyders) to 'fix' a display which still sucks compared to the similarly priced, PWM free 144hz BenQ's and LG.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 11/3/15 at 1:45pm
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post #13 of 26
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Thank you all for your inputs, it helps me understand a lot of things.

For now, I don't really want to buy a korean monitor, even if it's a bargain because I don't want to take the risk of getting bad quality and having to send it back on the other side of the planet biggrin.gif

About the GPU, even if I felt a bit betrayed by the 4GB VRAM being more like 3.5GB, it's still a good value for gaming and folding.
So I want to keep my card and buy another used in the future, I've seen pretty convincing benchmarks in a JayzTwoCents video.
Upgrading to a Z77 motherboard whith SLI support and keep my CPU could also be an option, as my i5 2500k @4.5GHz still does a great job.

About the IPS concern, I never felt bothered by my TN panel viewing angles whatsoever, so I guess it's not a problem if I stay on TN technology.

As you all seem to say, I should go for 1440p over 1080p anyway, with a higher refresh rate.
G-Sync remains a concern : I can't make up my mind as I never experienced anything above 1080p @60Hz...
post #14 of 26
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I would just like to point out that lately Acer and ASUS monitors are a crap-shoot when it comes to the quality lottery.

One suggestion I have for you is the check out the BenQ XL2730Z. 1440p, 144Hz, FreeSync (can still use the monitor on NVIDIA), 8-bit TN, and 1ms response time) 27".


Price is currently $502.94.

http://amzn.com/B00TUK9D9K

About the quality lottery, if I'm not satisfied I could just send it back to Amazon, couldn't I ?
This monitor looks great indeed, but I'd feel quite a bit disappointed to pay for the FreeSync feature while not being able to use it :/
Your name appears in the video btw biggrin.gif


The beauty is that FreeSync doesn't add any premium compared to G-Sync. That's why the XL2730Z is a lot cheaper than the ASUS ROG Swift for nearly the same exact monitor.
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post #15 of 26
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The beauty is that FreeSync doesn't add any premium compared to G-Sync. That's why the XL2730Z is a lot cheaper than the ASUS ROG Swift for nearly the same exact monitor.

You make a good point here, budget really is a constraint as a student...

What performance do you get in games with your 780 Ti and this monitor ?

It's much more expensive here in Europe btw, around 600€ which makes more than $650 bigeyedsmiley.png
Edited by SkyFred - 11/3/15 at 3:54pm
post #16 of 26
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Very funny/obviously biased. The VG248QE has horrible Lightboost colours (low gamma and very high colour temperature=strong blue tint) and contrast (<450:1), below average contrast and gamma at 144hz with Lightboost disabled, and uses PWM which ruins motion clarity and makes the 144hz refresh rate mostly pointless compared to the newer PWM free options. It's not worth the 150$ expense to buy a decent colorimeter (not inaccurate Spyders) to 'fix' a display which still sucks compared to the similarly priced, PWM free 144hz BenQ's and LG.

First, i dont use lightboost, i've tried it, and the trade off is not worth it. Like you said Contrast is 400-450:1 with lightboost enabled, but that is a hack that most users dont even know about or care to do. Newer monitors sporting built in strobing ie. ULMB also lose some contrast, just not as much as a VG248QE running lightboost. With 144hz i get around 890:1 contrast ratio, and a good 2.2 power law gamma calibration, hell this monitor can even do BT.1886 without a huge deviance. Does PWM ruin motion? Sure, but the amount is ruins it is greatly exaggerated, and to say that it makes 144hz mostly pointless is a blasphemous claim. The $150 expense for a capable colorimeter is well worth it because it will correct a multitude of displays, whether you have more than one monitor, or buy a new one it can calibrate all of those and give you your money's worth. You'll also want to re-calibrate displays every few months as the properties of a display change over time and a calibration done before is no longer as accurate as it used to be, however this is mostly for color professionals and or anal-retentive people.

I'm not recommending a VG248QE to a new buyer, as there are in fact better options out there now, but if you're a bargain hunter type and find a really good deal on one second hand then it's still a fine monitor especially if you go the extra distance and remove the AG coating and properly calibrate it.
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post #17 of 26
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Will I see a real improvement staying at 1080p resolution but upgrading to 144Hz refresh rate ?
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You make a good point here, budget really is a constraint as a student...

What performance do you get in games with your 780 Ti and this monitor ?

It's much more expensive here in Europe btw, around 600€ which makes more than $650 bigeyedsmiley.png

My 780 Ti performs very well in 1440p. Now I will say you won't get anywhere near 144 fps in the newest AAA games but there are plenty that can reach that. I do get a constant 60 fps in MGS V (that's because it is locked).

CS:GO maintains a perfect 144 fps at all times. Civilization V maintains 144 fps. Wargame: Red Dragon maxed out can maintain about 80 fps.

I haven't done any in-depth testing really, I just play the games for the fun of it. The GTX 970 should have nearly similar performance.

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Will I see a real improvement staying at 1080p resolution but upgrading to 144Hz refresh rate ?

Yes, of course. I personally would take 1440p/60hz over 1080p/144hz. Also 27" screen size is very nice (just don't buy 27" 1080p, that looks awful). You will get better motion clarity and smoother movement with 144hz.
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You play games similar to what i play, so i think you might fall under the same rules that apply to me.

If you go with an IPS monitor, you'll never go back. If you go with 1440p or higher, you'll never go back, if you go with 21:9, you'll never go back (unless you get a 32" or higher 4k ips monitor). tongue.gif

Imo, quality would always be better than fluidity (for the type of games you play). Your eyes gets used to 120/144Hz, and the "wow" factor goes away pretty fast, but sharp detailed textures, and accurate color representation would always make you go (wow...).

My recommendation to you would be an overclockable 27" 2560*1440p ips monitor, or a 34" 2560*1440 ips monitor (if you have the funds).

I would have added 4k to my recommendation, but your current single GPU would be unable to handle that resolution (i have to run my 970's at 1599Mhz in SLI to maintain playable FPS at Max Settings). You have to recognize that games are getting pretty demanding, so a high refresh rate monitor wouldn't make much sense for the type of games you play (considering you'll be running at 30-80fps most of the time at Max settings with AA)

Good luck on your upgrade!
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If you go with an IPS monitor, you'll never go back.

Back to TN? Indeed, probably not. But IPS is not the end of the spectrum... the good end at least. Much closer to the tail end for gaming/entertainment. But when it comes to 1440p gaming monitors we can only choose TN or IPS unfortunately.
 
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