No cheesy stock coolers for any processors
. Let buyers buy something good. Offer one or two AMD-branded coolers (tower-style 140mm fan model and down-blowing slim model for small cases) for people to pick up with the chips that come with quality TIM. There is no good reason to bundle low-quality stock coolers with processors that are going to be wasted or which will annoy buyers.
Be clear about what coolers are adequate for cooling the processor so that it won't throttle! Put a sheet in every processor box with big print that has the minimum cooler wattage support requirement.
*** REQUIRE THAT ALL ZEN MOTHERBOARDS FROM THIRD PARTIES HAVE VRM HEATSINKS! ***
It is a cheap bit of aluminum. There is no excuse not to have it. Have an AMD seal of approval validation sticker like Nintendo had for the Nintendo Entertainment System and make it prominent on motherboard packaging.
Have a special standard for the enthusiast-grade Zen chips that requires things like a decent-quality heatsinked digital VRM system with a minimum of 6 phases of quality mosfets. If the board doesn't have it then it doesn't get the sticker for compatibility. Customers should not have to delve into arcane information to try to figure out if they're have decent performance with the enthusiast-grade Zen chips!
I would also like Zen to be much tougher on motherboard makers in terms of the CPU saying it's OK to run on the board. If the board can't deliver adequate power or is overheating the user needs to know about this. If AMD is going to be seen as a winner it can't have its chips hampered by low-grade boards that throttle the chips badly. It's good to have cheap options for casual non-overclocking builds but AMD needs to make sure there is no board like the AsRock or MSI that will catch on fire because of bad VRM quality and/or bad VRM cooling. AMD
needs to put out a list validating boards for its CPUs instead of buyers having to rely on the manufacturer of the board because we've seen first-hand boards claiming that they are capable of a 9590 not even coming close. And, motherboard makers constantly spew minor revisions which is confusing to buyers.
chips I'd like to see:
1) Unlocked dual core with SMT, solder, and slightly convex Indium topper for good heat transfer. Same amount of cache as 8 core chip. No GPU.
2) Little Bertha
. Unlocked quad with no hyperthreading, solder, and slightly convex Indium topper. Same amount of cache as 8 core chip. This chip will have the most performance in games because of four real cores. No GPU. High leakage for maximum clock speed. No energy-saving stuff enabled by default. High-performance mode turned on by default. No power-saving unless it is stuff that does not in any way lead to stutter/microstutter, lag, or reduced performance in things like Cinebench multicore! 5 GHz as the standard clock speed and very strong turbo performance to kill Intel's lead in lightly-threaded games.
I don't care if this chip needs a ton of watts. If it offers superior performance for the price people will want it. Enthusiasts used to run three GTX 480s in their machines without batting an eye. All the whining about power consumption is marketing drivel as long as motherboards are out there that can support the processor properly. Some sort of eDRAM like what is in Broadwell may also be helpful for maximizing the gaming efficiency of these chips.
3) Unlocked quad with hyperthreading (8 threads), solder, and slightly convex Indium topper. Same amount of cache as 8 core chip. No GPU.
For gaming, a dual core with hyperthreading or a plain quad is plenty. Developers are targeting the i3, even with DX titles like Ashes. They aren't going to use more than 4 threads very seriously as long as Intel keeps pumping out i3 chips that are dual core plus hyperthreading.
AMD can get some leverage by making them overclockable, have proper solder, have good heat transfer, and have enough cache for good performance. They will potentially offer more for the money than an i3.
I don't think tri cores are optimal because of the way scheduling/compiling works. I'm not an expert on this, though.
I also would like to see DDR3 boards since some of us have a lot of DDR3 RAM but I won't hold my breath either.
What I would also love to see is a motherboard that has a socket for a GPU so people can get out of the inefficient ATX form factor for GPUs. AMD could then sell GPU dies.Edited by superstition222 - 11/5/15 at 11:05pm