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Tried to use my Sister's mac to copy a file.

I had to call support to figure out where the right click was.

They said it had none.
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Solution to the Mac vs PC argument... apples to oranges. They just aren't the same thing and can't be held to the same general standards. Heck, a lot of people I know run Windows on their Macs just to have all that extra 'stuff' you get from a PC. I think all the other points i'd like to make have been made in spades here. Moot point, this is all just positioning and marketing mumbo jumbo.
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I can see something like this being true. I know for a fact that mac's are not required to run 15+ year old programs I find on some people's systems.

I could not count how many xp programs I have found on systems when I show up.

I can run a dos program on windows 10, but I can not run a 3 year old program on os x.


I don't know about other people, but most of the problems I deal with comes when they are trying to get an old program/machine to work with a new one.

In the Mac world, the answer is no.

In the Windows/Linux world the answer is well maybe, kind of, and ok you win yes.

,drop to dos , takes me back.smile.gif

Honestly , reading the article it sounds like a plug , if it was anyone else I would´nt care , but IBM , kinda like Homeless Sithlord needs money for new deathstar .jpg
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Patently false. Windows' network stack is perfectly sufficient, reliable, and predictable, provided it's given quality hardware and drivers to operate with.

I think this would be, as you put it, "subjective and/or arbitrary". Windows' network stack is fine if you don't care about latency or the ability to use a kernel-bypass stack like Onload. So for your environment, Windows might be alright, but that's not a universal declaration of it being perfect for everyone. Driver support for enterprise is usually stronger and maintained better on *nix as well.
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There are a lot of ignorant folk here. While it might actually take work to setup macs to play with Windows there by far better and more capable.

Honestly OSX beats the hell out of Windows, in just about every environment. I'm guessing most of the people bashing it haven't really used it.

The issue is we are trained Windows almost our whole lives, where the truth is Mac can pretty much run anything Linux as well. Learn some cmd prompt, not the Windows bs. Learn to compile, then tweak the heck out of it. When you are done, tell me how Windows is actually better. Most good networkers I know will flat out admit Windows does not play well with others, and is a mess compared to nix networking.

 

The sole reason Mac is safer that Windows in an enterprise environment and runs into less issues is because people don't have a clue what to do with a Mac, whereas most of the population knows enough about Windows to be dangerous (eg. install a program).

 

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Patently false. Windows' network stack is perfectly sufficient, reliable, and predictable, provided it's given quality hardware and drivers to operate with.

I think this would be, as you put it, "subjective and/or arbitrary". Windows' network stack is fine if you don't care about latency or the ability to use a kernel-bypass stack like Onload. So for your environment, Windows might be alright, but that's not a universal declaration of it being perfect for everyone. Driver support for enterprise is usually stronger and maintained better on *nix as well.

 

Of all things you could complain about Windows, you chose the network stack.

 

Okay.

   
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Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post

There are a lot of ignorant folk here. While it might actually take work to setup macs to play with Windows there by far better and more capable.


Honestly OSX beats the hell out of Windows, in just about every environment. I'm guessing most of the people bashing it haven't really used it.


The issue is we are trained Windows almost our whole lives, where the truth is Mac can pretty much run anything Linux as well. Learn some cmd prompt, not the Windows bs. Learn to compile, then tweak the heck out of it. When you are done, tell me how Windows is actually better. Most good networkers I know will flat out admit Windows does not play well with others, and is a mess compared to nix networking.

The sole reason Mac is safer that Windows in an enterprise environment and runs into less issues is because people don't have a clue what to do with a Mac, whereas most of the population knows enough about Windows to be dangerous (eg. install a program).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coachmark2 View Post

Patently false. Windows' network stack is perfectly sufficient, reliable, and predictable, provided it's given quality hardware and drivers to operate with.


I think this would be, as you put it, "subjective and/or arbitrary". Windows' network stack is fine if you don't care about latency or the ability to use a kernel-bypass stack like Onload. So for your environment, Windows might be alright, but that's not a universal declaration of it being perfect for everyone. Driver support for enterprise is usually stronger and maintained better on *nix as well.

Of all things you could complain about Windows, you chose the network stack.

Okay.

Honestly, The windows networking stack is lacking. And that effects very latency specific applications greatly. He has already stated he works in a HFT (High Frequency Trading) shop, and it matters in that environment (I don't know of any HFT applications not on a *nix platform for many reasons having to do with latency,) In my environment some of my developers rewrote the TCP stack for certain applications we run in Linux.

Its all about the environment it is running in.
post #127 of 224
Well doh.

Mac users don`t use the plethora of software that PC users use every single day. Neither do they have all the different hardware that PC have. Mix software controlling all of this, there will obviously be more issues and complaints among PC users than Mac.

Mac is inferior to PC in every single way except dumbed down software tailored for Mac users.
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Mac is inferior to PC in every single way except dumbed down software tailored for Mac users.

How nice of you to support your claim with empirical evidence!
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Honestly, The windows networking stack is lacking. And that effects very latency specific applications greatly. He has already stated he works in a HFT (High Frequency Trading) shop, and it matters in that environment (I don't know of any HFT applications not on a *nix platform for many reasons having to do with latency,) In my environment some of my developers rewrote the TCP stack for certain applications we run in Linux.

Its all about the environment it is running in.

I can think of a couple of Windows shops off hand, but they're either very specialized (and likely augmenting with FPGA) or have very little positive cash flow as a result of being slow.
post #129 of 224
I think you can sum up a lot of the user experience in side by side task comparisons- for example.

Creating a new user in windows 10:

1. Type 'New user' into cortana
2. click 'manage other account'
3. click 'add new user in PC settings'
4. click 'Add someone else to this PC'
5. decline online login credentials
6. decline MS account creation
7. go back, because it's forcing me to enter an email again
8. now it work. add new account info
9. account created

OS X

1. Open system preferences
2. Click 'users and groups'
3. unlock
4. Wonder, how would I ADD a user? oh, with the PLUS button. Nice. Click it.
5. Add new account creation and decline iCloud PW (same screen)

On the mac, there aren't any hidden messages, it's not trying to force me to use an account I don't want to, it, as they say, 'just works'.

Also keep in mind once a user has learned the workflow to add a user, they've now mastered managing accounts to any first party app, managing printers, and countless other settings. This means that when they need to do something similar in the future they won't need to contact IT. Apple has designed OS X to work just like this so that you learn one thing and now you suddenly know a lot of things.
Edited by un1b4ll - 11/4/15 at 1:07pm
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They, like AMD, are fabless now and their chips are only used in mainframes and servers, they can't be used as regular desktop machines unless they spend countless hours rewriting code to run on their architecture.

That's right, they got rid of their fabs a year or two ago. That's my bad.

Heck, why not just take Watson or whatever and make it run a couple thousand virtual machines. Problem Solved!
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