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Originally Posted by r0llinlacs View Post

Meh. Hasn't changed much. It's still a bullock of an OS.

LOL @ Macs haven't changed much since 1995.

I think you missed a little something called NeXTSTEP and the elimination of OS 9. Happened about 15 years ago. Kind of a big deal.
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Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post

I wonder what it would come out as if the sucky PC OEMs stopped loading tons of random bloatware and adware on PCs as well as stopped using custom bios and firmware. Would probably change things.

Pro tip.

Big businesses image computers with their own copy of everything. From scratch. there is no "bloatware" except what they put in.
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Originally Posted by CSCoder4ever View Post

8 times is pushing it a bit, but I believe it.
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Originally Posted by Tehrawk View Post

Makes sense. Seeing as how they are 8 times more restrictive than PC's.

How?

I just...

How many MACs do you see with Titan Xs? Do they even have drivers for it? Would the support your computer if you put one in?

Ask @Lord Xeb What he did to get his GPU working, if I remember, it was quite a doozy.
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1. They don't tolerate EAP-TTLS for starters, nor do they retain network certs signed locally, or dot1x, or corporate wide anti-virus.

I was actually under the impression that EAP-TTLS was supported natively in OSX, but required additional support on Windows. I'll concede this point as it's not something that's active in our environment.
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2. Have you ever tired to use a web UI while using your wifi adapter to hunt down a rogue device spoofing itself as an AP to scan for logon credentials?

No, because I don't think putting prod data over wifi is a good decision. If you can't access your monitoring because you've decided the only access you've allowed your engineers is via wireless, this is poor planning.
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3. I will personally give you $100 if you can get a mac to connect to a corporate environment that uses AD to assign access to shared resources, group policies, and goes out of its way to provide endpoint security.

We do it in our environment. It wasn't simple, but we are afforded resources many businesses are not. Keep your hundo.
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4. Office does not work fine on a mac, office doesn't work fine on a PC. Office is a bloated mess whose only redeeming factor is Excel.

Office works fine, not great. It serves its purpose but can you really blame Apple for its downfalls?
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5. USB-to-serial adapters require adapters and I have yet to come across one that isn't USB 2.0 and doesn't require a driver. DP is not widely used since most companies keep monitors until they die. Even then, most new ones don't support display port. Thunderbolt is just a joke that will end up like firewire.

Displayport is backwards compatible with VGA and DVI, which is why companies like StarTech make a small fortune selling dongles. It's also worlds better for multiple-display setups (unlike, say, DMS-59) and isn't as easily damaged due to "insertion incompetence." USB-Serial adapters work fine, I just think you haven't taken the 5 minutes to look into getting them working properly. It's not difficult.

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Have you ever tired to build the backbone that would connect about 6000 total devices to a single data center and how much that would cost?

Our production environment is several times that size, so yes, capacity planning is a term I am familiar with.
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WiFi is not a secondary network that can be forgotten

And here's the major difference -- for us, it is. For you, it is not. Starting to see a pattern? What doesn't work for you may work extremely well for someone else. Our opinions and strategies may differ, but offering blanket statements about Macs because they don't work in your environment is a mark of an admin who isn't very open to change.
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I picked up a macbook pro off of ebay not too long, for graduate work only. So far its been awesome. It is perfect for school, haven't had any problems with it. Yet my pc will always be my baby.
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They also have 8 times less user control. Mac is the easy button of PCs. No options, no peripherals, no widespread support for everything = no troubleshooting. Of course it just "works"... with very few things and/or proprietary things only. If it doesn't work with Windows, you troubleshoot. If it doesn't work with Mac, you're SOL, because Mac doesn't support it.

8 times less user control is true on the GUI side. On the command line side of things, don't get me started.
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Macs are great machines. There is no denying that. If you bash Mac, you really do not understand technology.

Word.
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I just...

How many MACs do you see with Titan Xs? Do they even have drivers for it? Would the support your computer if you put one in?

Ask @Lord Xeb What he did to get his GPU working, if I remember, it was quite a doozy.

None, how many Macs need a Titan X? Bloody heck, how many rigs in general need Titan Xs?

And if I was into wasting my money on a pointless video card, yeah I'm sure my computers could support a Titan X.

Hence why I don't use OS X on my rigs, I have other *nixes for that.
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because there are less hardware configuration in Macs
because there are less software variety in Macs
because macs do not retain legacy support as depth as windows.
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Bicycles also require 8 times less maintenance than cars.......Who cares?

I might be trolling..... tongue.gif
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Lets talk again when OS X gets around 10-20% of the market and different problems start rolling in (software side).
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because there are less software variety in Macs.

False. You have access to (literally) tens of thousands of open-source programs, frameworks, GUIs, and packages on OS X. You have almost none of these on Windows, where nearly every useful piece of software either costs money up-front or is crippled nagware.

See my package links above. Pkgsrc alone provides over 14,000 open-source archives and the framework to build them on OS X.

I will say this, though-- I read a quote somewhere that said Steve Jobs always hated that NeXTSTEP / OS X was UNIX-based, but that it was a necessary evil. If Apple ever iOS-ifies OS X (as in Chrome OS merging with Android, though it's not a straight-up analogy), it would be a huge mistake.
Edited by infranoia - 11/3/15 at 9:18pm
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False. You have access to (literally) tens of thousands of open-source programs, frameworks, GUIs, and packages on OS X. You have almost none of these on Windows, where nearly every useful piece of software either costs money up-front or is crippled nagware.

See my package links above. Pkgsrc alone provides over 14,000 open-source archives and the framework to build them on OS X.

I will say this, though-- I read a quote somewhere that said Steve Jobs always hated that NeXTSTEP / OS X was UNIX-based, but that it was a necessary evil. If Apple ever iOS-ifies OS X (as in Chrome OS merging with Android, though it's not a straight-up analogy), it would be a huge mistake.

I get it you like unix and all but dont push it.
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