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I was wondering if I could get some opinions and advice on a build that I am trying to construct with a Skylake processor and a Z170 board. I have gone with those because I would like to future proof the build the best that I can. I have always tried to keep up with the tech but I have never actually built my own PC, always owned pre-builts from bestBuy that would get the job done. I am a Operations Management business major and I do some work with Access, BizTalk Server, and some 3rd party accounting software. I will also edit basic photos and videos using Adobe Elements/Premiere 13 and occasionally fire up some video games. I am kind of at a stand still with what would be the best route to go and some of the hardware to put into the rig as I am not familiar with some of the hardware in and out like I used to be. (Been about 4 years since i've been here... good ole days!) If I could get any advice and opinions it would be appreciated!

As of right now I have no theme and only a couple things absolute...

Case - Thermaltake Core v71 Air Flow Coverage (Click to show)
Processor - i7 6700k Processor

The case I chose because it is fully modular has good flow and a crap tons of filters which helps because I have 2 dogs. I decided to get with the i7 Skylake since I noticed that it looked like they took away the Hyperthreading in the i5 series, really not bummed if I am going to put the money out I would rather get the better option out there. From here forward is where nothing is solid yet just what I have looked up:

Power Supply - EVGA G2 850w
SSD - Samsung 950 Pro 256gb M.2
HDD - 3TB Western Digital Black
GPU - EVGA GTX960 4GB ACX2.0
RAM - 2 x 8gb Dual Channel DDR4 Ram
CPU Cooler - A Noctua of some sort maybe?
Motherboard - Extremely conflicted.. MSI z170 M9, MSI z170a G45, MSI z170 XPOWER, Asus Maximus VIII Hero, Any Suggestions??

As far as color scheme I am very open - so far they would be Black and Red except the XPower would be a titanium and Blue or white maybe with black case? I haven't seen particularly raving reviews about any Gigabyte or EVGA z170 motherboards. The Asus doesn't have USB3.1 to offer and i've never gone with an MSI motherboard before so I have no idea.

Next April I plan on starting a custom water loop and maybe add on a 2nd Graphics if the price of another GPU is right as well as add the other 16gb ram onto the board.

Thanks for at least reading and give me anything you have to offer!

Cody

Edit - My budget is between $1200-1600 and slightly flexible if it there is value in the extra $$
Edited by Jiryama - 11/3/15 at 5:50pm
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I've heard very good comments about the Maximus VII Hero. If I had the money, it is probably the board I would buy.
I am also a bit Gigabyte fanboy so the Gaming series is also very interesting and cheaper (Z170X Gaming 5 - I think it is worth considering). For the money saved, you could grab a GTX 970 instead which would greatly help you push your 6700k to its limit in games. However, it really comes down to which feature you are looking for in the end.

Also, I know the waiting game is a mediocre advice but much better GPU are around the corner with a new node that we've been waiting since 2012. In 2016, I am expecting big change with 16nm that will certainly offer a great bump in performance and efficiency. If you are planning to add a second GPU, I think you can forget that with the current generation. In April, Pascal will be out with twice the transistor count and possibly more than twice the performance.
Edited by Just a nickname - 11/3/15 at 5:42pm
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Thanks for the response! I wanted to believe that the Gigabyte were going to be awesome but i've heard of too many negative things regarding the BIOS and I had a friend who tried it and using it with his NVME SSD caused some problems. (Could have possibly been the intel 750 m.2 he was using too though). So I wasn't sure about that. I'll take a second look at the G5 though!

My only thing with the VIII Hero is that it doesn't have any usb 3.1 ports, I would like to future proof it the best that i can since I will not be upgrading again for at least 2 years. (I hope haha) Do you think that the usb3.1 is significant enough to not go with the Asus? I have no idea when devices will be released with it, all I know is that we just started to see USB-C devices at consumer level.

Oh and I have been reading the reviews of newegg as far as mobo's are concerned... I don't know if that is a bad thing or not though.
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I'll speak on the watercooling front, If April is your target date to watercool, you should really start considering how the setup is going to be. Thinking about what CASE to use?? How many radiators to use?? Pump placement?? Reservoir placement?? FANS...Push/Pull?? Fan Controller?? What BLOCKS to get??? Tubing/Acrylic??? Fittings??? Coolant??

If it was ME....I would be thinking about the CASE first.......Enthoo Primo is a case I would recommend...
 
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Thanks for the response! I wanted to believe that the Gigabyte were going to be awesome but i've heard of too many negative things regarding the BIOS and I had a friend who tried it and using it with his NVME SSD caused some problems. (Could have possibly been the intel 750 m.2 he was using too though). So I wasn't sure about that. I'll take a second look at the G5 though!

My only thing with the VIII Hero is that it doesn't have any usb 3.1 ports, I would like to future proof it the best that i can since I will not be upgrading again for at least 2 years. (I hope haha) Do you think that the usb3.1 is significant enough to not go with the Asus? I have no idea when devices will be released with it, all I know is that we just started to see USB-C devices at consumer level.

Oh and I have been reading the reviews of newegg as far as mobo's are concerned... I don't know if that is a bad thing or not though.


maximus viii hero have usb 3.1
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I'll speak on the watercooling front, If April is your target date to watercool, you should really start considering how the setup is going to be. Thinking about what CASE to use?? How many radiators to use?? Pump placement?? Reservoir placement?? FANS...Push/Pull?? Fan Controller?? What BLOCKS to get??? Tubing/Acrylic??? Fittings??? Coolant??

If it was ME....I would be thinking about the CASE first.......Enthoo Primo is a case I would recommend...
I have decided on the case that is extremely water cool friendly. Core v71 Radiator Support (Click to show)
I was thinking to remove all of the HDD cages and the top 5.25" and then having a 420mm radiator on the front push/pull, a reservoir and a pump just to the right of the mobo and maybe a 140 radiator on the rear. Leaves bottom intake top exhaust still. Run from pump to 420mm rad to GPU to 140mm rad to CPU to res. Never done a WC loop before though

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Originally Posted by Mason911 View Post

maximus viii hero have usb 3.1
yeah it only has I think 2 though? A few of the other boards have 6 of them of I believe. Do you think usb 3.1 is something to gripe over though? I will go check out that article!
Edited by Jiryama - 11/3/15 at 6:05pm
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If money isn't a concern and you want a ROG then get it, but don't buy it just because it's a ROG. Asus has many Z170 boards that support USB 3.1 at a better price and you could put that extra money towards a better GPU or water cooling gear. I personally would go with Asus, but I believe there is a rumor out there that Asus Z170 boards are bricking CPUs, so do the research.

The V71 is an excellent case, especially for water cooling, but be prepared it is huge! You might look at the V51 instead, it has almost the same water cooling compatability but a lot less massiveness.
 
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Ok, I read same thing which is why I looked towards MSI but I don't really know anything about the quality really. I have always been under the impression that Asus was the best haha. Do you have any thoughts on an MSI? The VIII Hero was originally my first thought at the mobo just wasn't sure if MSI was better or if the usb3.1 was going to matter that much really.

Yeah it is big for sure, I have actually already purchased it because I was able to get it for $80 new in box from a local Microcenter which is about half the retail cost.

Any recommendations on a CPU Cooler that isn't water to hold me over until April turns around?
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@Fuzzyness, I went for a watercooling case and removed the HDD bay and I regret it. I have a HDD + SSD. Only SSD is fine but having a loose HDD makes me panic every time I hear it turning around when I open the case. Now I unplug it and put it away to play inside. Not very convenient.
A single 420 is enough for a CPU + GPU, even a 360 will do. Some folks decide to add a 120 or 240 with the second GPU down the road.
I tried push / pull and didn't like it for the virtual no difference beside the higher humming noise. I went with PWM modded Gentle Typhoon AP-29 3000 RPM and ended always using them at their lowest RPM - 1600 RPM. That is pretty much the maximum I would recommend. I have 6 of those with 2 x 320 radiator. Tried also the AP-15 1850 rpm and despite gentle typhoon being the best, 6 of them is still too noisy to my liking.
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