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@Fuzzyness, I went for a watercooling case and removed the HDD bay and I regret it. I have a HDD + SSD. Only SSD is fine but having a loose HDD makes me panic every time I hear it turning around when I open the case. Now I unplug it and put it away to play inside. Not very convenient.
A single 420 is enough for a CPU + GPU, even a 360 will do. Some folks decide to add a 120 or 240 with the second GPU down the road.
I tried push / pull and didn't like it for the virtual no difference beside the higher humming noise. I went with PWM modded Gentle Typhoon AP-29 3000 RPM and ended always using them at their lowest RPM - 1600 RPM. That is pretty much the maximum I would recommend. I have 6 of those with 2 x 320 radiator. Tried also the AP-15 1850 rpm and despite gentle typhoon being the best, 6 of them is still too noisy to my liking.
Ok that is good to know - if I add a second GPU i'll add in the 120mm rad. I was thinking about doing an Air CPU Cooler until I get the custom loop ready a few months form now... What is a good one these days?

As for removing the HDD Bays... I have a secret weapon! Secret Weapon (Click to show)
This case has 2 mounts on the back that you can take 2 of the hot swap sleds and mount them very sturdily onto the back and remove all of the bays still leaving you with solid HDD mounts.


You can see the HDD Sleds mounted on the back of the one that has a Liquid cool set up there. I will definitely paint them black though... the blue passing through would annoy me too much!
post #12 of 26
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Ok that is good to know - if I add a second GPU i'll add in the 120mm rad. I was thinking about doing an Air CPU Cooler until I get the custom loop ready a few months form now... What is a good one these days?

As for removing the HDD Bays... I have a secret weapon! Secret Weapon (Click to show)
This case has 2 mounts on the back that you can take 2 of the hot swap sleds and mount them very sturdily onto the back and remove all of the bays still leaving you with solid HDD mounts.


You can see the HDD Sleds mounted on the back of the one that has a Liquid cool set up there. I will definitely paint them black though... the blue passing through would annoy me too much!

So cool! I know you are not water cooling yet but if you can afford, this is pretty much the sexiest set-up you can get:
https://shop.ekwb.com/reservoirs/reservoir-pump-combo/ek-d5-series
Either the 140 or 100, I think both should fit.

For air cooler, it really depends what you want. I don't see the point in spending for high-end air cooler to build a water cooling loop later. I have a Noctua NH-D14 (newer version is D15). I really like Noctua, silent cooler and well made. They sent me extra pair of clip and rubbers to mount a third fan on the cooler. They even added some extra thermal paste with it!
As a budget air cooler, I see a lot the Evo H212 being suggested. Not going to handle high overclock but it will do the job until you get something... much better!
I am sure there is a lot of reviews out there, I don`t really keep track of what's best in that department.
Edited by Just a nickname - 11/3/15 at 9:19pm
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850 watts is overkiil for that build in the OP a 400 watt PSU could power that.
You dont need more then a 550 watt even for a Titan X at stock, unless you are going to have 2-3 video cards you dont need 850 watts.

And the Corsair RMx might or might not be cheaper then the EVGA SuperNova G2 but at least look and see if it is.
Its a tiny bit better then the G2 so if its cheaper there is no reason to get the G2.
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So cool! I know you are not water cooling yet but if you can afford, this is pretty much the sexiest set-up you can get:
https://shop.ekwb.com/reservoirs/reservoir-pump-combo/ek-d5-series
Either the 140 or 100, I think both should fit.

For air cooler, it really depends what you want. I don't see the point in spending for high-end air cooler to build a water cooling loop later. I have a Noctua NH-D14 (newer version is D15). I really like Noctua, silent cooler and well made. They sent me extra pair of clip and rubbers to mount a third fan on the cooler. They even added some extra thermal paste with it!
As a budget air cooler, I see a lot the Evo H212 being suggested. Not going to handle high overclock but it will do the job until you get something... much better!
I am sure there is a lot of reviews out there, I don`t really keep track of what's best in that department.
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll take a look into the Noctua, I know I probably wouldn't need to spend the $80 on a Noctua but I want to make sure that the processor is cool enough. I read on another thread here that Air Coolers like this could cause problems with the motherboard? Is there any validation to that?
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850 watts is overkiil for that build in the OP a 400 watt PSU could power that.
You dont need more then a 550 watt even for a Titan X at stock, unless you are going to have 2-3 video cards you dont need 850 watts.

And the Corsair RMx might or might not be cheaper then the EVGA SuperNova G2 but at least look and see if it is.
Its a tiny bit better then the G2 so if its cheaper there is no reason to get the G2.

Would it be bad if I got a 850w when I only need probably half of that amount? I wanted to have enough space for future growth and have a little extra left over to that I am not running it so hard in the hopes it will last longer haha. I will check that one out as well as some of those links in your signature!

I was looking at it as well and the P2 is only about $10 more than the G2 so was considering moving to that. Would you still recommend the RMx in that situation?
post #15 of 26
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If money isn't a concern and you want a ROG then get it, but don't buy it just because it's a ROG. Asus has many Z170 boards that support USB 3.1 at a better price and you could put that extra money towards a better GPU or water cooling gear. I personally would go with Asus, but I believe there is a rumor out there that Asus Z170 boards are bricking CPUs, so do the research.

The V71 is an excellent case, especially for water cooling, but be prepared it is huge! You might look at the V51 instead, it has almost the same water cooling compatability but a lot less massiveness.

I haven't owned an MSI board in years so can't attest to them, but I would believe they are still a quality board. Gigabyte has issues with thier PWM headers, EVGA makes a good board but expensive and sometimes leaves off key features, ASRock is probably a decent board too, but I feel Asus is the best imo, even with the cpu bricking rumor.

I would have to believe most Z170 boards right now are pretty close in comparison, just need to get one that has all the features you want and maybe the color theme as well.
 
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I was looking at it as well and the P2 is only about $10 more than the G2 so was considering moving to that. Would you still recommend the RMx in that situation?
80 plus has nothing to with quality so thats a just a waste of money, get whatever of the 3 thats cheapest.
And you dont need 850 watts unless you are going to have at lease 2x video cards.
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Didn't found my thread so i'll post it here, ... Cause someone told me the Asrock Extreme 4 Z170 has more features then the Asus A-Z170/Gaming Pro. I am currently still wondering what motherboard to take i've read serval performance benchs and it seems the Pro Gaming wins in terms of performance but i dont know about the features... Anyone can clearify this?redface.gif
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Didn't found my thread so i'll post it here, ... Cause someone told me the Asrock Extreme 4 Z170 has more features then the Asus A-Z170/Gaming Pro. I am currently still wondering what motherboard to take i've read serval performance benchs and it seems the Pro Gaming wins in terms of performance but i dont know about the features... Anyone can clearify this?redface.gif
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80 plus has nothing to with quality so thats a just a waste of money, get whatever of the 3 thats cheapest.
And you dont need 850 watts unless you are going to have at lease 2x video cards.
I do want to add in a second gtx960 in April and start a custom water cool loop with a 420 rad and a 120 so I figured that 850w would be enough to run all of that then, might as well get it now. Will having too much wattage available hurt me?
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I haven't owned an MSI board in years so can't attest to them, but I would believe they are still a quality board. Gigabyte has issues with thier PWM headers, EVGA makes a good board but expensive and sometimes leaves off key features, ASRock is probably a decent board too, but I feel Asus is the best imo, even with the cpu bricking rumor.

I would have to believe most Z170 boards right now are pretty close in comparison, just need to get one that has all the features you want and maybe the color theme as well.
The EVGA has no USB2.0 headers on the board so it's kind of out of the question lol. I think I probably will go with the VIII Hero. Seems like the best well rounded. The MSI z170a G45 is pretty close though, has the reinforced PCIe lanes as well which I think is awesome! Something I realized today was that the Hero only has 1 m2 ssd slots so I could not RAID 2 of them.
post #19 of 26
You should forget about getting a second GTX 960 you would be far better off with a single more powerfull card like a GTX 980 or 980 Ti instead.
Not all games work with SLI and even those that do have problems with stutter so stick with a single card if you have the option.

The GTX 960 is not all that great of a card.
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The GTX 960 is great for 1080p, probably the best bang for the buck, but if you want to go higher than that, yes get a 970 or 980.
 
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