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Seriously, until AMD either adds DHCP 2.2 support and HDMI 2.0 ... or that $130 DP1.2 to HDMI 2.0 converter comes out ... people really shouldn't talk about AMD and 4K.

I'm just saying.
People shouldn't game on their tv's. '0,1' second input lag on the norm, just for the comfort of a couch is insane. That is almost two three to six frame intervals of delay(depending on 30/60 Hz) between the tv and the gpu.
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People shouldn't game on their tv's. '0,1' second input lag on the norm, just for the comfort of a couch is insane. That is almost two three to six frame intervals of delay(depending on 30/60 Hz) between the tv and the gpu.

Considering that AMD SPECIFICALLY claimed this would be the perfect card for HTPCs, people shouldn't try to say that people shouldn't game on their TV, when the maker of the card says otherwise ... and is the engine behind two of the most popular consoles ... you know, where people game on their TVs.
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Considering that AMD SPECIFICALLY claimed this would be the perfect card for HTPCs, people shouldn't try to say that people shouldn't game on their TV, when the maker of the card says otherwise ... and is the engine behind two of the most popular consoles ... you know, where people game on their TVs.
Not at 4K, though.thumb.gif
HDMI 2.0 isn't where gaming should be at 4K is my point. You can disagree of course, but that lag is going to kill.
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Not at 4K, though.thumb.gif
HDMI 2.0 isn't where gaming should be at 4K is my point. You can disagree of course, but that lag is going to kill.

Again, you are contradicting what AMD is saying, and have said since the 200 series. Their cards, according to them, are prime for 4K. How dare you say that AMD is wrong. biggrin.gif





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Again, you are contradicting what AMD is saying, and have said since the 200 series. Their cards, according to them, are prime for 4K. How dare you say that AMD is wrong. biggrin.gif






And what he is saying is that the bigger issue is that HDMI should stop being used.

I do think, though, that it was a failure on AMD's part to not include HDMI 2.0 for a card centered around HTPC use. Once again, AMD expecting the market to change rather than just putting appropriate features in their products.
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I guess it is the way you read things. Didn't seem biased to me. The 970 was overclocked to see if it could match performance of the Nano; it couldn't. Also, the 970 is the wiser choice at 1080p. Why spend $600+ on a 1080p card in this niche for only 15-20% more performance? The Nano is overpriced!

Also for the person that can't read I guess, they do apples to apples comparison at the bottom of each page. rolleyes.gif

Take the best price/performance product and everything above it is overpriced and everything below isn't worth it.
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Gee, I wonder why AMD suggested this case? Could it be because they knew they would win against the 970? I think so.

Fact of the matter is, if HardOCP is guilty of anything, it's running a test that was largely dictated BY AMD specifications, and not what the majority of people actually use for a small form factor case ... most of which CAN house a full size video card.

FYI, the CM Elite 110 is $30 after MIR, the Elite 120 and Elite 130 can hold a full size card. The 120 is ALSO $30 after MIR. The 130 is $50 (At Newegg), so the price of the case really isn't a factor. As far as length of the case, you are talking 11.10" for the CM 110 vs 15.80" for the CM 120. So yeah, it's 4.7" longer, but let's be serious, it's not like those 4.7" is worth an extra $300 or loss of FPS at the same GPU price.

I literally just built a rig in the CM Elite 110. The foot print where it is going to sit can't fit the longer profile cases, or I would have gotten a 120/130 or a SilverStone Sugo SG13. So my choices were between the Asus 970 DirectCU Mini and a Nano.





I went with the 970 for around $350. I couldn't justify getting the Nano for an ITX rig in the living room. I can barely justify the 970.. lol. Damn you AMD, I want to give you money, but not that much.. tongue.gif
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Why are people still debating this? Yes it's another Nano review and the conclusions of this review fall in line with every other previous Nano review. Regardless if mtcn77 is AMD biased or not, it doesnt change the content and conclusions of the review.
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Why are people still debating this? Yes it's another Nano review and the conclusions of this review fall in line with every other previous Nano review. Regardless if mtcn77 is AMD biased or not, it doesnt change the content and conclusions of the review.
Well, their conclusion could be right only for all the wrong reasons which is the case. Based on how they reached it, it could also be a vacuous truth, if it is false by its premises. It makes it an overwhelming exception when they have vested so much of the review for GTX 970 and R9 Nano is just there as the name sake. They didn't overclock it, they didn't emphasize its silence, nor any of its qualities; however they have tried at every opportunity to equate a louder profiled & less overclocking card with its position, lest they might. Nano is just there for them to subrogate a Gigabyte gtx 970 with it, actually.
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Since you didn't actually read any of the review and jumped on the one part you didn't like, I'll help address your points so people can understand why we got annoyed with your extremely cherry-picked quote for the OP, one which you took out of context. Context in that case being "If you're on a budget at 1080p only all you need is the crappy 970".
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Well, their conclusion could be right only for all the wrong reasons which is the case. Based on how they reached it, it could also be a vacuous truth, if it is false by its premises. It makes it an overwhelming exception when they have vested so much of the review for GTX 970 and R9 Nano is just there as the name sake. They didn't overclock it, they didn't emphasize its silence, nor any of its qualities; however they have tried at every opportunity to equate a louder profiled & less overclocking card with its position, lest they might. Nano is just there for them to subrogate a Gigabyte gtx 970 with it, actually.


In reference to the 970:
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The video card running a game at full-load shows that the GPU actually starts off at 1300MHz, but it instantly goes down and is not able to sustain that at all. We wanted to show you this screenshot above mainly to show you that the temperature while gaming was 81c with a maxed out 100% fan with this overclock and the clock frequency still wasn't stable.

Again we want to state the fan noise is something that could not be ignored, it was extremely annoying with the fan speed so high. We will talk more about the fan in the power and temp page because overall the GIGABYTE N970-IX-OC video card was pretty bad in terms of fan noise at default settings.
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On the other hand the XFX Radeon R9 Nano video card is a quiet video card even after gaming for hours. We never heard its fan at all from outside the case. Hands down the Nano wins the sound war in this small form factor segment.

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The cons of the GIGABYTE GTX 970 N970-IX-OC are that this video card chokes at higher resolutions like 1440p. Even overclocked it cannot come anywhere near the performance of XFX Radeon R9 Nano. It is slightly bigger as a video card. And lastly, the fan is very noisy, which may very well not be fitting for your SFF system.

With the 970 overclocked:
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Even in an older game like BF4 the Nano cannot be reckoned with.

There is no need to show other games, every one was still a lot faster on the XFX Radeon R9 Nano.

At the bottom of the conclusion that you obviously didn't read:
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Since there are only a few video cards that are fighting for this niche-of-a-niche segment of small form factor cases that cannot utilize full-length video cards perhaps that price is justified. Obviously value is going to change from user to user. Right now there isn't a lot of competition and typically you do pay more for the best, and in every way the Nano is the best in this very specialized segment.


And this little gem:

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In our next evaluation we are going to take it up a notch, include more price-competitive comparisons, an overclocked CPU, an overclocked Nano, and 4K testing in a small form factor case that does allow full length video cards to be installed.

Edited by Scorpion49 - 11/6/15 at 8:12am
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