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CRYORIG, PC cooling solution innovator releases the much speculated and also anticipated A Series of Hybrid Liquid Coolers, first unveiled during in June at Computex 2015. The CRYORIG’s A40/A40 Ultimate and A80 HLC units are built on the base of Asetek’s 5th Generation Pump and CPU Cold Block technology with a small but obvious twist. With an additional adjustable and detachable Airflow fan, the CRYORIG A Series HLC is capable of lowering the temperatures of the components surrounding the CPU by up to 20%. The CRYORIG A Series comes in three models based on radiator size, beginning with the A40’s 240mm radiator, the A40 Ultimate with a 240mm by 1.5” thick radiator and the A80 with a 280mm radiator.

Built on Asetek’s 5th Generation Pump and CPU Cold Block design, the A Series Hybrid Liquid Coolers also includes CRYORIG’s acclaimed MutliSeg mounting system. The MultiSeg’s robust metal backplate as well as easy to install mechanics, makes it an ideal match for the high-end A Series HLCs. With other CRYORIG innovation and proprietary technologies such as the QF120/QF140 radiator fans with Quad Air Inlet technology and HPLN bearings, makes the CRYORIG A Series HLC units a formidable competitor for the highly competitive AIO liquid cooling market. The CRYORIG A40, A40 Ultimate and A80 will first release in Japan on November the 5th, and released between mid to late November worldwide. MSRP of the A40, A40 Ultimate and A80 are $100, $110 and $120 USD respectably in North America, and €100, €110 and €120 Euro (+VAT) in Germany.




Kinda interesting that there are no reviews yet. We usually see reviews at or just before release date.
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I saw the posts 2-3 days ago on Vortez and Tom's Hardware (and I was wondering has doyll already made a post about it thumb.gif). I bet R1 Ultimate will beat beat them, if not in pure performance area, than in performance / noise area, without even factoring the costs. Only the A80 looks like it stands a chance against the R1.

Then again, I am interested in the new 140mm fan. Has an idle RPM of 600, or 100 lower than the XF and rated for 13 db. Could prove a good case fan for restricted intakes where some SP matters.
Edited by Shneiky - 11/5/15 at 3:45pm
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I got the news from Cryorig a couple of days ago, but found some errors I wanted the answers to. Original drawings were a mismatch of different scales; pump one scale, Airflow fan another, radiator another, radiator fans another and A80 image same size as A40. I also re-scaled the drawings so everything same scale.

Will be interesting to see how they do perform. The A40 Ultimate has a thicker radiator (38.5mm) than most (27.5mm), which should improve performance. Their 120mm and 140mm fans are both new too.

Can't find any info about Asetek Gen 5 pump compared to older pumps .. can't seem to find much of anything about Asetek pumps in general.
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Asetek is the thing under Corsair, NZXT, Antec, and Zalman and others, so I am not expecting anything much even if it has the Cryorig brand on it.

It was a bit disappointing to see the same Asetek recycled again. Well, it is not as much as it is recycled as much as the patent issue. Swiftech does hold the far superior design, but due to USA "awesome" patent regulations- Swiftech, CoolIT and Cooler Master has had recent issues with their products being sold on US soil and being repeatedly sued by Asetek. And even though I am from Europe, and other people are from other places, it matters to all of us, because a tech company will never decide to close the gates to such a big market as USA. So this means that they will go with Asetek instead of the superior Swiftech to gain the option of a wider market.

I am not condemning Cryorig at all. If I was a manager in a similar position - I would do exactly the same.

Also, on the rad. side - going from 27.5 to 38.5 will have minimal impact - 1-3C is my guess, at the expense of a lot of noise. A much larger impact will be going from 240 (2x120) to a 280 (2x140) design. Even that extreme water-head that goes by the name of JayZTwoScents (who I really enjoy watching and he does some very entertaining stuff) agrees with this basic rules of physics. Radiators benefit much more from a larger area than from thickness, of course, if sufficient thickness is already present.
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Asetek is the thing under Corsair, NZXT, Antec, and Zalman and others, so I am not expecting anything much even if it has the Cryorig brand on it.

It was a bit disappointing to see the same Asetek recycled again. Well, it is not as much as it is recycled as much as the patent issue. Swiftech does hold the far superior design, but due to USA "awesome" patent regulations- Swiftech, CoolIT and Cooler Master has had recent issues with their products being sold on US soil and being repeatedly sued by Asetek. And even though I am from Europe, and other people are from other places, it matters to all of us, because a tech company will never decide to close the gates to such a big market as USA. So this means that they will go with Asetek instead of the superior Swiftech to gain the option of a wider market.

I am not condemning Cryorig at all. If I was a manager in a similar position - I would do exactly the same.

Also, on the rad. side - going from 27.5 to 38.5 will have minimal impact - 1-3C is my guess, at the expense of a lot of noise. A much larger impact will be going from 240 (2x120) to a 280 (2x140) design. Even that extreme water-head that goes by the name of JayZTwoScents (who I really enjoy watching and he does some very entertaining stuff) agrees with this basic rules of physics. Radiators benefit much more from a larger area than from thickness, of course, if sufficient thickness is already present.
Indeed.
Asetek patented the concept of pump on waterblock and sealed loop, which is why Swiftech and EK WB has separate waterblocks. And of course are build as pre-assembled and filled kit systems.
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The nzxt h60/h61 is 4.5 gen
The corsair new h80gt/h10/110i gtx is 5th gen along with scythe apsalus iv g4

Guess this one will be similar to the 5th gen ones, maybe it has a thicker rad?


h100i gtx
30mm

a40 is 27.5/37.5



h110i gtx
26mm

a80
27mm



could be an error in which they measure the thickness, but who knows eh?
Edited by TK421 - 11/6/15 at 12:04am
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Asetek is the thing under Corsair, NZXT, Antec, and Zalman and others, so I am not expecting anything much even if it has the Cryorig brand on it.

It was a bit disappointing to see the same Asetek recycled again. Well, it is not as much as it is recycled as much as the patent issue. Swiftech does hold the far superior design, but due to USA "awesome" patent regulations- Swiftech, CoolIT and Cooler Master has had recent issues with their products being sold on US soil and being repeatedly sued by Asetek. And even though I am from Europe, and other people are from other places, it matters to all of us, because a tech company will never decide to close the gates to such a big market as USA. So this means that they will go with Asetek instead of the superior Swiftech to gain the option of a wider market.

I am not condemning Cryorig at all. If I was a manager in a similar position - I would do exactly the same.

Also, on the rad. side - going from 27.5 to 38.5 will have minimal impact - 1-3C is my guess, at the expense of a lot of noise. A much larger impact will be going from 240 (2x120) to a 280 (2x140) design. Even that extreme water-head that goes by the name of JayZTwoScents (who I really enjoy watching and he does some very entertaining stuff) agrees with this basic rules of physics. Radiators benefit much more from a larger area than from thickness, of course, if sufficient thickness is already present.

I couldn't agree with you more on all points. End of the day....you are looking at rehashes of existing parts with a little fan stuck on top of the block to cool the VRM.

But, Cryorig has an opportunity and they should well take it. Many have already realized that CLCs in their existing formation can't keep up with air in terms of performance/noise or performance/cost...or performance/reliability....or....or..... Now you have the Swiftech and EK pieces that really make CLCs look like toys. Cryorig needs to jump on this cash cow before public awareness grows, and frankly, a company like Cryorig (who actually does innovative things in terms of cooling) deserves a piece of this pie.
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The nzxt h60/h61 is 4.5 gen
The corsair new h80gt/h10/110i gtx is 5th gen along with scythe apsalus iv g4

Guess this one will be similar to the 5th gen ones, maybe it has a thicker rad?

The Gen refers exclusively to the pump and CPU block, not the radiator. No one knows the actual difference in the generations with the exception of 4.5 and 5 having variable speed added to the pump. Because, you know, slowing down a pump that is already not moving enough liquid is good idea. rolleyes.gif

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h100i gtx
30mm

a40 is 27.5/37.5



h110i gtx
26mm

a80
27mm



could be an error in which they measure the thickness, but who knows eh?

Those measurements refer to the housing, not the core. The core is where the difference in performance would lie. I would just about guarantee that the cores on all of them are the exact same 23fpi all aluminum piece that Asetek uses in everything.

You can disregard the H110i GTX, as that piece is made by CoolIt.
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I couldn't agree with you more on all points. End of the day....you are looking at rehashes of existing parts with a little fan stuck on top of the block to cool the VRM.

But, Cryorig has an opportunity and they should well take it. Many have already realized that CLCs in their existing formation can't keep up with air in terms of performance/noise or performance/cost...or performance/reliability....or....or..... Now you have the Swiftech and EK pieces that really make CLCs look like toys. Cryorig needs to jump on this cash cow before public awareness grows, and frankly, a company like Cryorig (who actually does innovative things in terms of cooling) deserves a piece of this pie.
The Gen refers exclusively to the pump and CPU block, not the radiator. No one knows the actual difference in the generations with the exception of 4.5 and 5 having variable speed added to the pump. Because, you know, slowing down a pump that is already not moving enough liquid is good idea. rolleyes.gif
Those measurements refer to the housing, not the core. The core is where the difference in performance would lie. I would just about guarantee that the cores on all of them are the exact same 23fpi all aluminum piece that Asetek uses in everything.

You can disregard the H110i GTX, as that piece is made by CoolIt.

110i gtx is asetek though


http://www.corsair.com/en-us/hydro-series-h110i-gtx-280mm-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler
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The only reason CLCs are so popular is because they are easier to implement. You just stuck it at the top of the case - and that is it. You just check the the holes and its done. It works.

While air cooling needs much more knowledge. Insufficient intake, insufficient exhaust, video card layout and cooling style, wrong fan layout - all of these can negatively affect a large air cooler rather easily.

At the end of the day - people like Linus (specially since they put the same Noctua fans on all air coolers, which almoust always screws up the results and makes them under-perform), Dimitri from HardwareCanucks and JayzTwoScents actively advertise CLCs and they reach a very very wide audience. While nobody actively advertises large air coolers. Though HighTechLegion has a very good and unbiased comparison, they can't compensate for all those "Ultimate performance - CLC with 3000+ RPM fans - beats a 5 times quieter air cooler by 2 C - It's 2 C! CLCs rule" websites.

Cryorig should milk the cow while they can. I am all up for them to put up some CLCs and gain some cash. That will surely give them more capital for R&D into better air coolers. Still waiting for the Z1. tongue.gif

Though what I really wanted to see is a radiator with duals fans (like the A40 for example) and on the pump you have a H7 attached. Not a small fan - a full fledged H7! Now that is real hybrid cooling. tongue.gif
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Yes, sorry - was thinking of the H110i GT. Please include the H110i GTX in that glut of inefficient radiators.

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Though HighTechLegion has a very good and unbiased comparison, they can't compensate for all those "Ultimate performance - CLC with 3000+ RPM fans - beats a 5 times quieter air cooler by 2 C - It's 2 C! CLCs rule" websites.

Well, thank you. I am used to people telling me I am totally biased since I go by actual performance, noise and cost, rather than give extra credit for "has tubes". thumb.gif

And I gave up trying to compete with those sites and misconceptions, and/or use reason to explain the findings. This is a part of the reason why you haven't seen a cooling review from HTL in quite some time.
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