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Now I'm not sure you have read your own post.

On the one hand, you can "fanboys" idiots, just because they like to buy from a certain manufacturer because they like those cards, and they don't care about the other manufacturer.
On the other, you tell them that they are idiots because they don't understand competition.

But this is completely irrelevant, because for there be competition, there also needs to be someone to compete with.
So you seems to not understand competition at all. Competition requires two sides, two competitors, two who can actually compete.

And for AMD to even compete, they need to make a lot of changes.
No one said "there should be no competition" like you blindly claim it was said.
People mostly say "AMD should die" not so there will be no competition to nvidia, but so that someone can buy them out and make something better out of them.

Your basic assumptions in general, seems to be so off the center, I doubt about your "I will buy what ever brand I want" attitude, is real in any way, and most likely it is just for the sake of argument.

P.S I'm not a fan boy. I like the nvidia cards because they perform better for the games I play, and take a hell of a lot less power even after OC (and they OC very well). And still, my wife's computer does have a couple of 290X which I bought second hand very cheap from people who upgraded to the 390X (and I found pretty funny, but it's their choice), because she plays more AMD favourite games at a lower resolution.

You have no idea who I am or why I buy what I buy, yet you are very critical about everyone's choice.

Look at my sig.

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post #42 of 67
How did this turn into a thread about 970's and fanboys? I think the word fanboy needs to be added to the "swear word" list, might help with some of the animosity between users of different brands of products. There are reasons other than price/performance to buy a certain video card.

I happen to like and feel comfortable in the Nvidia "ecosystem", every time I have to go in and fix graphics setting/options on one of our AMD equipped machines I get lost in Catalyst and end up being frustrated. Not that there is anything wrong with Catalyst, I am just not used to it, I'm sure the people who have been using AMD for the last XX amount of years would feel equally frustrated with NV control panel. Point is, price/performance is not the only reason to buy, and buying brand X does not make one a brand X fanboy.
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How did this turn into a thread about 970's and fanboys?

Let it be written, let it be known:

No matter what Nvidia does, ever, the only thing that matters to some is that the 970 had 3.5GB of memory.

That is all.

"Nvidia posts profits" Yeah, but the 970 only had 3.5GB of memory.

"Nvidia cures cancer" Yeah, but the 970 only had 3.5GB of memory.

"Nvidia goes bankrupt in 2035" Yeah, serves them right, the 970 only had 3.5GB of memory.
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It is simple. The 970 was not released as a 4K card. And under the situations other than 4K, it performed very well. it didn't cap the memory and the 0.5GB did not matter.
The overall marketing was an issue. I agree. It sounded and looked weird.
But at the bottom line, the card did perform right where it was supposed to, and right where the price was. it was a cut down 980 for a lower price. Releasing it as a 970 TI, is useless, as you can just buy the 980. What will be the point of releasing a 970 TI at the 980 performance?

Regarding older cards, the 970 was released as a replacement for the 770, at a lower price than the 780 and the 770, and having better performance (even at 4K). So again, where is the issue? Where was the problem? Because 0.5GB was used for system instead of textures? Who cares? If the card performed just as good with using 2GB for textures and 2GB for system, who cares?

You want a 250$ card which performs like the 970? So buy a used 780 TI if you like rebrands. I personally hate rebrands. There is no point in sticking a new sticker and calling the card "new".

What about 970 SLI users like me? There's also the issue of opportunity cost, but I won't get into that. Also, if a 3.5GB 970 performs just as a good as real 4GB one, why not be upfront and market it as a 3.5GB card instead of a 4GB one? Wouldn't it sound even more impressive if a 3.5GB card out performed a 4GB card ? "We only have 3.5GB on our card, but we kick the daylights out of our competitor's 4GB card"

At the end of the day none of it really matters anymore, but I just wish people would stop pretending this was simply some "communications mistake" between the engineering and marketing teams. (general comment, not directed at you)
Edited by magnek - 11/6/15 at 9:05am
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Not to start a war, but I don't think that nVidia has every promoted any card, much less the 970 to be a card that was designed to be used in SLi.

I think that like all their cards, they say that it can work in SLi, but as everyone knows, the second card will be at a reduced effectiveness ... and they didn't say how much or why the reduction was.

Also, the 970 in SLi does work great ... just so long as you don't go over the 3.5GB threshold. You CAN ... all the way to 4GB, because the card DOES have 4GB of usable memory ... you just take a hit.
post #46 of 67
Pretty sure dual GPU cards were designed with SLI in mind, what purpose would they serve otherwise? Also if they're going to claim SLI support, then it should be supported period without any strings or asterisks attached. Or I'm assuming you've changed your stance on the DX9 frame pacing issues with CrossFire?

Forgot to say, lower end cards don't support SLI at all, so I think it's fair to say SLI is being used as an additional distinguishing "premium" feature for the more expensive models.
Edited by magnek - 11/6/15 at 9:26am
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What about 970 SLI users like me? There's also the issue of opportunity cost, but I won't get into that. Also, if a 3.5GB 970 performs just as a good as real 4GB one, why not be upfront and market it as a 3.5GB card instead of a 4GB one? Wouldn't it sound even more impressive if a 3.5GB card out performed a 4GB card ? "We only have 3.5GB on our card, but we kick the daylights out of our competitor's 4GB card"

At the end of the day none of it really matters anymore, but I just wish people would stop pretending this was simply some "communications mistake" between the engineering and marketing teams. (general comment, not directed at you)

I happen to be one of those 970 SLI users.
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Pretty sure dual GPU cards were designed with SLI in mind, what purpose would they serve otherwise? Also if they're going to claim SLI support, then it should be supported period without any strings or asterisks attached. Or I'm assuming you've changed your stance on the DX9 frame pacing issues with CrossFire?

Again, I never said they weren't. In fact, I said they were.

But the reality is, single card or SLi, if your game doesn't use 3.5GB, you won't have an issue.

No, because I don't buy cheap budget cards. The only cards I've bought for my game rig from nVidia are x80s. 580, 780, 980. I don't buy inferior cards.

The 970 in SLi does not have frame pacing issues if you are below the 3.5GB limit. If I am playing a game that only takes 2GB of VRAM you won't have issues ... DirectX 9 or not.

Now if you are running the same DirectX 9 game that uses the same 2GB of VRAM on a pair R9 Fury X in Crossfire, guess what, you have a problem. The problem with DirectX 9 is ACROSS THE BOARD on ALL AMD cards, regardless if they cost $199 or $650. The issue with the GTX 970 is with the ONE CARD only.

Understand now?
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I'm sorry but you said "but I don't think that nVidia has every promoted any card, much less the 970 to be a card that was designed to be used in SLi.", so I simply pointed the existence of dual GPU cards. And thank you for sharing your buying preferences with us, duly noted.

Also, I think that like all their cards, they say that it can work in SLi CrossFire, but as everyone knows, the second card will be at a reduced effectiveness ... and they didn't say how much or why the reduction was. See how that works? The implication was people should expect performance degradation since it's common knowledge that SLi scaling isn't perfect along with various other issues, and it didn't necessarily matter what the root cause was or the magnitude of the degradation. Well by the same token, it's common knowledge that frame pacing hasn't been fixed for DX9 games, so people should run CF at their own peril.
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I'm sorry but you said "but I don't think that nVidia has every promoted any card, much less the 970 to be a card that was designed to be used in SLi.", so I simply pointed the existence of dual GPU cards. And thank you for sharing your buying preferences with us, duly noted.

Also, I think that like all their cards, they say that it can work in SLi CrossFire, but as everyone knows, the second card will be at a reduced effectiveness ... and they didn't say how much or why the reduction was. See how that works? The implication was people should expect performance degradation since it's common knowledge that SLi scaling isn't perfect along with various other issues, and it didn't necessarily matter what the root cause was or the magnitude of the degradation. Well by the same token, it's common knowledge that frame pacing hasn't been fixed for DX9 games, so people should run CF at their own peril.

You can't use logic on this thread. It just doesn't work.

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