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Well that's pretty much the reason they spun their GPU department into it's own company.

Also, why pay more today when you can get a bargain after Zen fails? No reason to buy now and risk footing the bill for failure.

Agreed. I should buy AMD stock right about now.
     
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Pretty much. I can't see how someone hasn't bought [AMD] up already.

AMD's market cap: $1.7 billion.
AMD's long-term debt: Over $2 billion.
AMD's market share: ~25% for dGPU, ~15% for x86. Only 1-2% in the much more lucrative x86 server market.
AMD's earnings trajectory: Negative for several years running.

Not to mention that their x86 cross-licensing deal doesn't allow for a "change of control" (read: buyout or a merger with larger company) as well...
Edited by svenge - 11/6/15 at 6:20pm
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AMD's market cap: $1.7 billion.
AMD's long-term debt: Over $2 billion.
AMD's market share: ~25% for dGPU, ~15% for x86. Only 1-2% in the much more lucrative x86 server market.
AMD's earnings trajectory: Negative for several years running.

Not to mention that their x86 cross-licensing deal doesn't allow for a "change of control" (read: buyout or a merger with larger company) as well...

This is something I've posted in a couple other threads but it keeps coming up.

The FTC modified the 2009 Anti-Trust settlement with this:
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...In the
event that AMD, NVIDIA, or Via
undergo a change of control, these
provisions prohibit Intel from suing for
patent infringement for 30 days.
Furthermore, Intel must offer a one-year
standstill agreement during which the
acquiring party and Intel would not sue
each other for patent infringement while
both parties enter into good faith
negotiations over a new license
agreement.
The Commission takes seriously
Intel’s commitment under these
provisions in the Proposed Consent
Order. The Commission has authority
under the Order to evaluate and
determine whether Intel in fact engages
in good faith negotiations and the
Commission will be able to enforce the
Proposed Consent Order if Intel does
not negotiate in good faith. In the event
the change of control terms are invoked, the Commission will carefully
scrutinize Intel’s conduct and take
action, if appropriate.

They have to negotiate in good faith for licencing of x86 with oversight by the FTC. This happened back in 2009 before the settlement was initially approved.

Order here
Analysis here (Starts on page 2)

Not to mention Intel pretty much has to do another cross license agreement with whomever buys AMD if they want to keep making CPUs because AMD owns x86_64.

Although it would be amusing to see Intel have to try and sell Itanium again or go back to making 32bit CPUs.
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Although it would be amusing to see Intel have to try and sell Itanium again or go back to making 32bit CPUs.

Oh boy! And after Windows and OSX have moved on to 64bit! Especially OSX which no longer allows 32bit apps on its store, even if your devenv CANNOT do 64bit compiles!
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I wish they would stop saying power saving, be nice to hear something like, we have designed a gaming chip that sips power at the level of 28nm but has the increase fps gains of 14nm and we went on ahead and doubled the size anyway, so it crushes any cpu performance in the world, please note this chip is only for atx mother motherboards and gamers... biggrin.gif


this whole power saving thing is overrated. a space heater someone uses in winter runs 1500 watts, my pc uses 540 some watts on full load... make it 900 who cares... its not sucking 900 that often
    
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Poop on them for not hiring me.

Blue Man Group only has three positions and they're already full.
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People here are so clueless its funny.

Let me try for the 10th time. This is LOW POWER process. Its unsuited for Zen. Period.
14nm LPP and LPE have a target voltage of 0.8V. When was the last time you saw a desktop CPU with that?

A10-7870K for example have a Core Voltage of 1.4xV.
You even have binned 15W weak Carrizo APUs like 8800P, but even they surpass 0.8V and is close to 0.9V Core Voltage.

These 14nm products being produced at GloFo is most likely Seattle or Hierofalcon or any other ARM project AMD have going on. They have already taped out ARM and it will undoubtly be one of they new key fields for AMD to get revenue from.

LPP means low power performance. E means efficiency/economy. lemme ask you a question, if an 8 core Zen can do 32 things at once with a 40% IP over intel chips and only hits 3.2ghz stock, where's the downside? 32 things at 4.2 instead of 16 things at 3.2.... it all figures up. You KNOW the only reason intel is still using dual-task "hyper"threading is because nobody's forced them to fight.
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You KNOW the only reason intel is still using dual-task "hyper"threading is because nobody's forced them to fight

It's also a question of efficiency. There are some tasks where having 4 threads per core will improve performance over 2.

There are some where it won't

and there are some where any extra threads (even 2 per core) won't help at all or where HT even causes marginal performance losses; and that's assuming that your workload is even highly multithreaded - ST won't benefit. There are plenty of workloads that scale well past 12 threads (rendering, video encoding) but there are also a ton that don't; we still don't have any games benefititing significantly from more than 6 threads AFAIK with a few very rare exceptions like the crysis 3 grass physics, and you'd want to apply good load to threads 13 through 24? Good luck wink.gif

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this whole power saving thing is overrated. a space heater someone uses in winter runs 1500 watts, my pc uses 540 some watts on full load... make it 900 who cares... its not sucking 900 that often

540 watts is a pretty obscene power consumption these days - if you take a 6600k at 4ghz and a 980ti at 1300mhz, you'll see ~350w from the wall under load for the whole system. You can push a lot further with high volt OC's and multi-GPU but it's hard to casually pull ~550w from the PSU (~600 from the wall)
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Is it too optimistic to hope for late Q1 Arctic island
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Is it too optimistic to hope for late Q1 Arctic island

By March? Yeah, that's both optimistic and slightly insane.
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