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LOL! LPE is NOT LPP.
So you are saying AMD is going to TSMC for ZEN? That has never happened, ZEN is already out with ES. GF LPP is in production. You connect the dots, and ignore any fantasies you might have. TSMC has NEVER produced a cpu for AMD.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1579499/yahoo-others-amd-zen-cpus-said-to-meet-internal-expectations-with-no-bottlenecks/40_20#post_24583003

I did not insult you,just your unsubstantiated opinions. PROVE me wrong.thumb.gif
They did do Jaguar based APUs though. But yeah it is much more likely to still be on GF's node despite the low clock ceiling.
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What is your point?
I don`t know why it is so hard for some people to understand basic logic but for the 20th time: 14nm is LOW POWER.

You find Snapdragon chips like 810 that do 2.4GHz or the upcoming 14nm Snapdragon 820 that clocks around 2.2GHz. Why can this one run 14nm and still be clocked so high? Because its a low power chip, a SOC rated around 3W.
Point is that even though clocks are not high their server chips will do very well on the GF node. Server is what matters the most for AMD if they want back in the game. And for the most part 3GHz is enough to serve the low and mid end desktop market. The high end with low clocking chips isn't going to bite unless they have magic performance. (which is certainly not the case)
Edited by maarten12100 - 11/8/15 at 10:56am
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They did do Jaguar based APUs though. But yeah it is much more likely to still be on GF's node despite the low clock ceiling.
Point is that even though clocks are not high their server chips will do very well on the GF node. Server is what matters the most for AMD if they want back in the game. And for the most part 3GHz is enough to serve the low and mid end desktop market. The high end with low clocking chips isn't going to bite unless they have magic performance. (which is certainly not the case)

Depend what server chips you are talking about.

Opteron will be 16nm but AMDs upcoming ARM K12 SOCs for servers will be 14nm imo

Edited by iLeakStuff - 11/8/15 at 11:26am
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People here are so clueless its funny.
yep you are, and it is
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But ZEN is an architecture so they will make small low power 1-4 core  ZEN chips for what ever people need low power chips, but with some performance? Usually Intel make server chips later when yield have improved(big chips), but i guess the much higher price could compensate somewhat for the lower yield?

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But ZEN is an architecture so they will make small low power 1-4 core  ZEN chips for what ever people need low power chips, but with some performance? Usually Intel make server chips later when yield have improved(big chips), but i guess the much higher price could compensate somewhat for the lower yield?

AMD will launch these products next year:

  • ARM chips for servers and phones/tablets etc in 14nm
  • SOCs replacing Mullins (4.5W chips) and Beema will be 14nm. They do not share the same architecure as the desktop APUs, but Puma architecture. The same can be said about Zen which will be for desktops, and you will have a new architecture for the low power 14nm SOCs
  • Zen in 16nm from most likely TSMC
  • Discrete GPUs in 16nm from TSMC

AMD will manufacture the 14nm chips from GloFo/Samsung and 16nm from TSMC
Edited by iLeakStuff - 11/8/15 at 1:28pm
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Depend what server chips you are talking about.

Opteron will be 16nm but AMDs upcoming ARM K12 SOCs for servers will be 14nm imo
That makes little sense as they would certainly prefer high density for their server parts so they can cram more low power cores on a die. Therefore the GF node should suffice and be way cheaper since ToP fines being circumvented.

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AMD will launch these products next year:

  • ARM chips for servers and phones/tablets etc in 14nm
  • SOCs replacing Mullins (4.5W chips) and Beema will be 14nm. They do not share the same architecure as the desktop APUs, but Puma architecture. The same can be said about Zen which will be for desktops, and you will have a new architecture for the low power 14nm SOCs
  • Zen in 16nm from most likely TSMC
  • Discrete GPUs in 16nm from TSMC

AMD will manufacture the 14nm chips from GloFo/Samsung and 16nm from TSMC
The cat core architecture ends with Zen the Puma cores have no future in the long term their space will be filled with K12 and it's evolutions.
I expect the GPUs to be at GF too.

The only thing I expect to be at TSMC is the desktop enthusiast chips and perhaps the GPUs if they want to play efficiency rather than density game.
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AMD will
Yeah pretending to know what AMD will do doesn't make you right.
We will see what AMD is going to do when we are going to get closer to Zen's launch date.

Also for what I heard Samsung's 14 nm LPP is a lot more scalable than LPF and I don't think Samsung whats to limit it's process to Mobile SoC only when their competitors aren't.
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AMD will launch these products next year:

  • ARM chips for servers and phones/tablets etc in 14nm
  • SOCs replacing Mullins (4.5W chips) and Beema will be 14nm. They do not share the same architecure as the desktop APUs, but Puma architecture. The same can be said about Zen which will be for desktops, and you will have a new architecture for the low power 14nm SOCs
  • Zen in 16nm from most likely TSMC
  • Discrete GPUs in 16nm from TSMC

AMD will manufacture the 14nm chips from GloFo/Samsung and 16nm from TSMC


That is pure conjecture on your part.
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Our 14nm FinFET technology is among the most advanced in the industry, offering an ideal solution for demanding high-volume, high-performance, and power-efficient designs with the best die size," said Mike Cadigan, senior vice president of product management at GLOBALFOUNDRIES.


Source; https://www.techpowerup.com/217328/globalfoundries-achieves-14nm-finfet-technology-success-for-next-gen-amd-product.html

The editor of TPU states this in the comments- "That's right, Zen will be made in upstate New York. Finally a CPU you can put in your desktop that has "Made in the USA" printed on it, and not Costa Rica or Malaysia."

GPU's from TSMC- CPU's/APU's from GF.
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AMD has already produced GPUs on GlobalFoundries 14nm LPE, so not all GPUs will be TSMC.
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AMD has already produced GPUs on GlobalFoundries 14nm LPE, so not all GPUs will be TSMC.

Wouldn't that likely be a mobile product? SoC? Surprising if they used LPE for a dedicated GPU.
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