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Agree, their pricing scheme seems to be quite different now. It seems to be profit margin first, market share second.

Take a look at their 300 series GPU = as expensive as Nvidia offer, may be cost slightly less but with Nvidia low driver overhead & their driver features, buying Nvidia now is no brainer.

I am going to expect their CPU is gonna price @ 90-95% of Intel for the same performance. Means for the same performance chip, u probably save 5%-10% discount only. If that is the case, I will never consider AMD at all.

I'm okay with identical pricing for the performance, but we don't really have that right now - it's always a trade-off.

Slower CPU with faster graphics at the same price as a faster CPU with slower graphics isn't always a workable trade-off.

I just priced out a cheap upgrade for an existing Core 2 Duo E4500 system and tried to use an AMD CPU in the build, but the area which we needed the most performance increase was the CPU.

The closest matchup was the AMD A4 7300 (Dual core 4GHz) vs the Haswell-based 3.2GHz Pentium G3250. We didn't need more graphics power, at all, the Intel CPU's graphics capabilities are more than enough. As such, at nearly identical prices, the decision was made. Haswell is over 40% faster per clock than the A4 7300, so the extra 800 MHz can't make up for that. Then, it uses a little more power, and the motherboard options are less attractive at the same prices.

Interestingly, as soon as we march into the $90 CPU + $70 motherboard range the story changes completely and the AMD CPUs make more sense as the Intel CPUs don't get any faster, and AMD adds more cores, the motherboards are slightly better on the AMD side, and graphics performance is better.

So AMD only makes more sense in certain region of pricing. Either $200 systems that don't need performance (Kabini, AM1) or cheap systems where quad core and extra graphics power is more useful than two faster Intel cores. After that, Intel usually has a better option available at every price point.

If AMD wants to recover, they will need to really focus on providing better value. Their $65m inventory write-off is seemingly a great example of bad management. I know why they did it - it looks better to investors when you take a write-down for inventory than when your margin shrinks AND the stupid inventory tax. A smart move would have been to price the CPUs at half price, even taking a loss, and have a $20m loss instead of a $65m loss, but this would have had to start months ago.
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Your signature systems are garbage, are they up to date? Your dual-CPU quad core Xeon system has the combined performance of a cheap i7 2600k (of course, you could have been running that since '07 thumb.gif).

That said, a good VRM setup is about stable voltages. A 2+1 config will have vDroop even without overclocking, though it should suffice for low-end systems.

The discussion, remember, was about what made the most sense for a normal computer build.

Nah, those are very old now. Granted, they are still running. biggrin.gif

Have a dual 1366 system kicking around and I am looking at building a dual 2011 rig in the coming months.
I tend to build out systems like those because they prove useful for a long time. And eventually the ~$1500 CPUs for them end up selling for ~$100 on ebay.

Heh, the dual Prestonia P4 rig is running a minecraft server as we speak. thumb.gif

Friend of mine built a dual single core Opteron system, using 246's I think, in 2004. Slapped some 280 or 290 dual cores in it in 2007 and had a serviceable computer again. That rig was still relevant 8 years after it was built.
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