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Let's face it, any time anyone ... a person, a company, or even a government ... mentions "fairness", you know someone is going to get ... well, you know.

I'm just saying.

The only thing that "fairness" does is spread the misery equally to everyone.
There's a big difference between actual fairness and pretty PR wording meant to hide ****ty business practices
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My 25 years as an officer of a small business says otherwise.

Government has NO RIGHT picking the winners and losers in business. They should make sure there is a fair playing field for EVERYONE, and that is it.

Further, nothing in Article I, Section 8 says they have that authority.

I'm sorry to drag politics into this, but the stone cold reality is, you can't talk about law and government and regulations without touching on politics.

Regulations is what allowed a fair marketplace to begin with. In fact, what the government excelled in, is investing in technologies that have been developed into winning products that revolutionized and opened new markets.

Closely examining how well the Government does when it competes in the market you would actually find that the government is excellent when it comes to high-risk investments and terrible when it partners with private interests, or worse, leaves private interests to "pioneer" and "entrepreneur" the market.

If private interests were so innovative then why has the status quo in broadband remained stagnant for years? They were given every resource, every condition, and every tax break to make low-cost, high-speed broadband a reality.

When we look at military spending, why is it that military procurement and contracting always such an expensive and ridiculous mess? Better yet, why are healthcare costs spiraling out of control when the government not only provides enormous amount of funding for high-risk R&D but also provides the infrastructure necessary for pharmaceutical giants to exist in the first place. I'm talking subsidized education, government think tanks and universities that offer development at no cost to private interests but develop the majority of new drugs and treatments?

Even when we look at innovative products like the iPhone and Tesla we see significant investment from the public. Specifically innovations from DARPA and GPS that were first developed for military application that eventually trickled into Siri and GPS systems. And Tesla who were given funding and loans to create a market-place for luxurious electric vehicles, as well as Elon's other venture SpaceX which has huge government contracts to develop rockets. What private interest would be willing to foot the bill for these billions of dollars? Without public funding these projects would take years longer to take off and develop.

This age-long myth of Government stifling innovation and competition has to die. Without the government there is literally nobody who is willing to take high-risk, high-reward gambles that make our nation's products so competitive. It is long overdue for the government to step in and reform our nation's telecommunications.

Broadband and Pharmaceuticals, as well as Finance industries are way too busy with share buybacks and maintaining revenues. Because they have interests in paying out to stockholders and themselves. These are not the people who will invest in risky research. Instead they acquire "small" businesses and make favorable partnerships to monopolize the market through "Illusion" of a competition and innovation while they are busy lining their pockets with gold.

Tell me, what would happen if UPS and Fed Ex simply split the country in half, shook hands, and said good business? Without USPS that is a complete reality. In fact, without Municipal Broadband that is the reality we are facing. Broadband companies have carved up the pie and are raking massive revenues while investing little into infrastructure. Sorry, but I'm not going to vote for that.
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Tell me, what would happen if UPS and Fed Ex simply split the country in half, shook hands, and said good business? Without USPS that is a complete reality. In fact, without Municipal Broadband that is the reality we are facing. Broadband companies have carved up the pie and are raking massive revenues while investing little into infrastructure. Sorry, but I'm not going to vote for that.

Except that isn't what is happening here. If you want a fair comparison, it would be what would happen if the GOVERNMENT told FedEx that you can't compete with UPS in these states and in exchange, UPS can't compete with you in these states.

You know, just like how the government tells BOTH UPS and FedEx they can't compete with USPS in ANY STATE to deliver mail.

Again, it is GOVERNMENT who is PREVENTING competition in markets with LAWS that they have passed.
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It works. In VT, my cousin has access to Burlington Telecom and gets 1GB/1GB for $70 with a 12 mo contract. $85 off contract. Off contract that's only $7 more than what I pay for 150/5 with Comcast. Granted there's a lot of rural towns between us, we're only 90 miles apart. Verizon laid fiber here years ago, but it's a patchwork.

The options are Fairpoint 1.5mbps for $25/month, or Comcast 25/75/150 for $50/65/78(I think those are the current prices).
If you are in an area where VTel services there is hope for you yet. I know some people around the town where my parents are have had symmetrical gigabit for over a year now for $70. My parents will be finally be getting it in the next week or two if they haven't already been connected. Hell even my grandparents Lake house which is literally far enough out in the middle of nowhere that a legal road does not even make it there on the map is set to get fiber in the next few weeks.

I live up in Burlington and used to have Burlington Telecom but had to switch to Comcast due to the landlords not allowing any other service. They do college pricing for 200/200 @ 49.99 which is pretty awesome. I am hoping where I end up moving this summer offers anyone who does not use this data cap BS.
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And I thought my internet was expensive, here in spain we are paying like 47 euros for 300/30 unlimited plan.
I thought internet in USA was cheaper but i have seen it's not.
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And I thought my internet was expensive, here in spain we are paying like 47 euros for 300/30 unlimited plan.
I thought internet in USA was cheaper but i have seen it's not.

 

 

Say what Monica?

 

I was paying €47 (IVA included) for 8/1Mb unlimited bottom of the barrel ADSL.

 

Didn't stop me from tearing through almost a TB a month though, lol.

   
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Except that isn't what is happening here. If you want a fair comparison, it would be what would happen if the GOVERNMENT told FedEx that you can't compete with UPS in these states and in exchange, UPS can't compete with you in these states.

You know, just like how the government tells BOTH UPS and FedEx they can't compete with USPS in ANY STATE to deliver mail.

Again, it is GOVERNMENT who is PREVENTING competition in markets with LAWS that they have passed.

Exactly. They did it with electricity and natural gas service here as well. They have recently changed it so that we can choose a different electricity provider but Reliant (used to be Houston Lighting & Power) still gets a cut since all of the infrastructure is theirs. On the electricity side it appears to be a well thought out and executed long term plan, award the entire city to one company, that company creates the entire cities electrical distribution, milk the citizens until you can't, then let other providers come in and you can lease the infrastructure out to them. Reliant gets to get paid no matter who you choose. It will probably end up going the same way with cable.
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And that's why on top of looking for a good, safe location to live next year, in my list i am also taking in consideration the internet provider for such locations. Time Warner which is what I currently have is a pain the a.. but at least there is no cap nonsense.
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Guys, so i called comcast because i was having some issues with my wifi and the tv, a technician came and found that someone split the main cable on the box and ruined mine, so after he fixed all the cables, everything was good. and I told him, let me see if I can download a 4k video without issues, and then he asked me if I know about this program.

I was like what program? and he told me yeah, comcast is doing like a restriction on the data usage, but they will give you some more free and after that they will charge you for extra

I was like alright, well and how high is that restriction because i didnt have anything like that before, and he told me is a new program really, it's 300Gb.

I was like ***, well how do I check my usage, and he showed me, and I was like "Well, im screwed"



So, i believe that they are actually doing this to gain the money they are losing on their TV service. but come on... thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif


Actually, they will make a ton of money by doing this. Suddenlink is my ISP and they have been doing this for at least 1 1/2 years and I''ve paid $10-30 extra each month on my bill since it was implemented. They kinda bragged about it an article I read earlier this week. 300GB cap isn't enough. 500GB is reasonable and 750 would be perfect.

This is what happens when the government limits competition. These ISPs can charge what they want, and you'll have to pay it. Plenty of smaller companies want to start in cities but can't because of laws protecting these guys.
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And I thought my internet was expensive, here in spain we are paying like 47 euros for 300/30 unlimited plan.
I thought internet in USA was cheaper but i have seen it's not.

Seems it's way cheaper everywhere in the EU. (Last I heard EU is also giving money to different countries to expand fiber) I'm paying €50 for my 500/500 unlimited.
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