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AMD would be wise to dump the FX moniker for Summit Ridge. Even regardless of how well people like Vishera, it sows confusion for the previous generation's product, which doesn't even use the same boards, to be named the same thing.
That's silly. How many different types of motherboards over the years have hosted CPU's with the brand names Pentium, Celeron, Core, Athlon, Duron, Turion, Phenom and Sempron over the years? A Thunderbird 1400 from 2001 and an 880K are both called Athlons; do you confuse one with the other?

I think they should drop the FX name just because in my opinion, they devalued the brand with the piece of crap first-generation Bulldozer and have never released a truly competitive part as an "FX" anything since the K8 era. I certainly don't associate the "FX" name with high performance anymore. But if they don't see it that way, then there's no reason not to use it. AMD's crapped on pretty much every brand name they've ever had except Athlon, and they devalued that one by repurposing it for their low-end parts.
     
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I think Failure Xtreme is a good name for it. now naming the mobo a x99 or 99x will really mess with are minds.
    
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Did anyone notice that with the test against Broadwell-E the Broadwell-E was on a Windows 10 machine while Zen was on what looked like Linux? Probably why it finished that fraction of a second faster.

I was looking at the main window itself but you are right about the task bar looking different. However, the main window they are both in seems to be Windows 10, and the task bar at the bottom of the Zen window actually looks more like a toolbar from Blender itself. Im not sure why the Broadwell window had the Windows taskbar down there. It is kinda curious.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10591/amd-zen-microarchiture-part-2-extracting-instructionlevel-parallelism/7

On side there is detailed compassion between ZEN/Boardwell/Skylake architectures
post #585 of 2415
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That's silly. How many different types of motherboards over the years have hosted CPU's with the brand names Pentium, Celeron, Core, Athlon, Duron, Turion, Phenom and Sempron over the years? A Thunderbird 1400 from 2001 and an 880K are both called Athlons; do you confuse one with the other?
It's not silly. A brand name that is associated with failure is often dumped in favor of a new one.

How many 1990s Vegas, Pintos, and Corvairs did you see?

What's silly is stubbornly or lazily holding onto a moniker that has been associated with failure for so many years.
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I think they should drop the FX name just because in my opinion, they devalued the brand
I thought I implied that. Sowing confusion — not only because of the very large architectural differences but also because of the name being tainted.
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FX brand is good. Just chips are little weak in single core thumb.gif. I like the Deus Ex advertisment with FX chips.

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It does look friggin cool, and FX chip preforms close to Intel expensive CPUs.

Back to ZEN. Im sure AMD will use FX brand, something like TWKR Phenom (cherry picked special chip ). Im sure also all will fuse with Wattman. AMD does pretty cool things even today... . Like 16nm XBOX APU.
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FX chip preforms close to Intel expensive CPUs.
It's a 2012 design that didn't have strong single thread performance even then. Uop caching probably could have helped quite a bit, along with faster caches. Since Intel got mileage from a uop cache in Sandy had AMD had the resources to update FX it could have added one and we'd be seeing better performance.

It's really regrettable that the design has remained static in the 8 core top-end for such a long time.
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Single thread performance isn't nearly as important now as it was then as the software is all going multithread now. And when overclocked FX has good single thread performance. I have no problems with online gaming, for instance. It is worth noting that FX use numbers have remained stable in the gaming world. FX is aging well and Zen will improve upon this for an even better experience.
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I lose hope when AMD starts comparing to another company as they have a history of doing that and it being either a. for an obscure benchmark with no real world application or b. downright wrong (look at wPrime for the 2600K vs FX-8150 below).

Man, don't be a Debbie Downer, give some credit for the underdog. Have a look at:

https://youtu.be/Mc2LU6Buuyo?t=312

'Ashes of the Singularity' is not synthetic in any way, so, give due credit to the AMD team.

Or be like this general:

https://youtu.be/iirSro9fnL8?t=92

- So behind with Bulldozer and they managed to make such a ******* jump with Zen !!!
- But my fuhrer, AMD only showed us one benchmark on Blender.
- IT BEATS BROADWELL_E ! AT THE SAME ******* CLOCK SPEED !!!
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- So much of a ******* jump that, we, at Intel are butthurt as **** !
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- This ****, AMD, is amazing to be honest ... Zen ... overclock our CPUs.

- We are here at Intel has been milking our foolish customers for far too long until they bleed their money to get a 5% uplift in performance...


Have some good laugh, those Hitler raging series are immortal. The subtitles match the down faces quite well.

As for watts, have anyone seen that 95W adds awesomeness to the impressiveness - after all, Jim Keller made good NOT TO BOIL THE OCEAN, as he described the attempts in previous generation.
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Single thread performance isn't nearly as important now as it was then as the software is all going multithread now. And when overclocked FX has good single thread performance. I have no problems with online gaming, for instance. It is worth noting that FX use numbers have remained stable in the gaming world. FX is aging well and Zen will improve upon this for an even better experience.
Yeah. people get too hung up on benchmarks, especially cinebench, and declare the FX line garbage. Meanwhile plenty of people in the real world including many members here are happily gaming on them. Gets real old listening to the parroted rhetoric though.baaasmiley.gif
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