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It was initially poorly priced at 270 dollars. AMD was pretending it was better value than it was by trying to pass the first true 8 core processor. It performance didn't match it's price, particularly when you consider all sandy bridges came with a integrated GPU on the CPU already and bulldozer was just CPU. Thankfully no one fell for it and the price sank to 200 dollars quite quickly.

AMD initial behavior, just like their launch of the fx 9590 was to fleece the ignorant. e.g 900 dollars for 5 ghz processor. Again this failed spectacularly so AMD lowered the price to 330 dollars. The initial intent was dishonest at best.

I'm pretty sure when "ignorance" was brought up during the 970 fiasco, people promptly got told "too bad you should've read the reviews and not buy something based on what you expect it to be". And if you really want to talk about intent, well, a 3.5GB 970 performs just as well as a hypothetical 4GB one in 95% of the cases, so why not market it as a 3.5GB card, or notify the press in advance of the segmented memory, since it won't matter (much) anyway? Because they know the 290X exists, and marketing it as a 3.5GB card would probably make a small proportion of people think twice. But let's be honest, how many people were really going to care about the 3.5GB and pick the 290X over the 970 had this information been available at launch and before the firesale on 290X began? Yet it was sold and marketed as a 4GB card, and the memory partition wasn't revealed until 4 months post launch. I mentioned opportunity cost as a factor and this is what I meant: had I waited an extra 2 weeks, I would've been able to buy those 290X's at firesale price, and at one point a 290X Lightning could be had for $300 on Newegg. (BNIB, not open box or refurb)
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I think it is fair to apply the same logic to this situation as well.

This lawsuit is stupid.

Thank you. I didn't mean to sound aggressive in my post, but it just annoys me people can't seem to be consistent in their stances. Also this is how I know you're not biased LOL (along with some of your other posts; it's easy to confuse vocal criticism with bias, but I'm getting way OT here)
Edited by magnek - 11/8/15 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by CynicalUnicorn View Post

Then it's clear you never read my response.

There's nothing in there that explains why an ALU cluster is a "complete" processor. A complete processor would mean it can work on its own, move the ALU cluster somewhere else to an empty space it wouldn't work.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1579533/guru3d-amd-faces-lawsuit-over-core-count-on-bulldozer/120_40#post_24584117

???

I thought my explanation was pretty clear.
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There's nothing in there that explains why an ALU cluster is a "complete" processor. A complete processor would mean it can work on its own, move the ALU cluster somewhere else to an empty space it wouldn't work.

Move most cores from any multi-core part to empty space and they won't work.
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Originally Posted by jmcosta View Post

196+28= 224
rolleyes.gif

XOR = XOR

28 = half the speed of a card from 2007
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the 512MB segment essentially serves as an additional layer of memory between the main VRAM and system memory
In other words, not normal VRAM.

It can't be since it's half the speed of the VRAM in a DDR3 midrange card from 2007.
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Because they know the 290X exists, and marketing it as a 3.5GB card would probably make a small proportion of people think twice.
It's not just the AMD card. Nvidia buyers purchased two 970s, often, because they thought it was a particularly good deal for SLI since the card supposedly had the same amount of high-speed VRAM as the 980.
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Funny bit about the lawsuit is that AMD actually has more ground in multithreaded computing than single threaded computing...
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Funny bit about the lawsuit is that AMD actually has more ground in multithreaded computing than single threaded computing...

What do you mean more ground? they haven't been competitive in that for a very long time. Or are you simply speaking about their past history compared to intel.
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What do you mean more ground? they haven't been competitive in that for a very long time. Or are you simply speaking about their past history compared to intel.
It is an emphasis to their pretty pathetic single threaded benchmarks, but that isn't the reason one purchases a multicore cpu, imo. Why not get an i3 instead of i7 while at it, if just a single thread is the sole purpose for your purchase.
Also, AMD probably came up with the first dual, quad and octa-core desktop cpus according to their marketing highlights. The lawsuit is penned by such oversight, it seems.
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Also, AMD probably came up with the first dual, quad and octa-core desktop cpus according to their marketing highlights. The lawsuit is penned by such oversight, it seems.

First true dual and quads, yes, in the x86 world. As I said previously, IBM beat even AMD by four years with the dual-core POWER4. Intel was first with the "dual-core" Pentium D IIRC and the "quad-core" Core2Quad. However, unlike AMD's Athlon x2 and Phenom x4, those used two dies rather than one. It's a bit like a multi-socket system in some sense, just much less latent, if I understand it correctly.

Intel had the first x86 octacore though. Nehalem-EX, a monstrous >600mm2 die with eight cores on a 45nm process. They sold for around $3000 at launch. You can buy one today for $40 if you want, even less for the non-flagships. thumb.gif The motherboards are a bit expensive though, using the rare LGA-1567, a socket shared only by its successor, Westmere-EX (the E7-8800 and 4800 "v1" series). Last I checked they were around $1000 for a quad-socket board, but I've seen a few around $200 recently.

If you mean first octacore marketed towards consumers and end-users or enthusiasts, then I suppose AMD's FX-8150 and 8120 take that title, but I'm not sure I'd call that milestone quite as important.
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First true dual and quads, yes, in the x86 world. As I said previously, IBM beat even AMD by four years with the dual-core POWER4. Intel was first with the "dual-core" Pentium D IIRC and the "quad-core" Core2Quad. However, unlike AMD's Athlon x2 and Phenom x4, those used two dies rather than one. It's a bit like a multi-socket system in some sense, just much less latent, if I understand it correctly.

Intel had the first x86 octacore though. Nehalem-EX, a monstrous >600mm2 die with eight cores on a 45nm process. They sold for around $3000 at launch. You can buy one today for $40 if you want, even less for the non-flagships. thumb.gif The motherboards are a bit expensive though, using the rare LGA-1567, a socket shared only by its successor, Westmere-EX (the E7-8800 and 4800 "v1" series). Last I checked they were around $1000 for a quad-socket board, but I've seen a few around $200 recently.

If you mean first octacore marketed towards consumers and end-users or enthusiasts, then I suppose AMD's FX-8150 and 8120 take that title, but I'm not sure I'd call that milestone quite as important.

I think the milestone on AMD's design was the design not the marketing. It was basically moving X86 closer to the ARM universe, but obviously Intel had better pure X86 chips.
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First true dual and quads, yes, in the x86 world. As I said previously, IBM beat even AMD by four years with the dual-core POWER4. Intel was first with the "dual-core" Pentium D IIRC and the "quad-core" Core2Quad. However, unlike AMD's Athlon x2 and Phenom x4, those used two dies rather than one. It's a bit like a multi-socket system in some sense, just much less latent, if I understand it correctly.

Intel had the first x86 octacore though. Nehalem-EX, a monstrous >600mm2 die with eight cores on a 45nm process. They sold for around $3000 at launch. You can buy one today for $40 if you want, even less for the non-flagships. thumb.gif The motherboards are a bit expensive though, using the rare LGA-1567, a socket shared only by its successor, Westmere-EX (the E7-8800 and 4800 "v1" series). Last I checked they were around $1000 for a quad-socket board, but I've seen a few around $200 recently.

If you mean first octacore marketed towards consumers and end-users or enthusiasts, then I suppose AMD's FX-8150 and 8120 take that title, but I'm not sure I'd call that milestone quite as important.
Thanks for the fillers. As you said, Bulldozer would have been a direct competitor to Nehalem if only it were timely.
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