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People posting McDonald's spilled hot coffee missed some key details - it was an elderly lady and the coffee spelled onto her genitals causing third degree burns to her genitals which is one of the most sensitive body parts and required skin grafts to repair. If it was spilled somewhere else on her body it would probably not be as bad. I learned about this in my Torts Business Law classes in college.
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Intel had the first x86 octacore though. Nehalem-EX, a monstrous >600mm2 die with eight cores on a 45nm process. They sold for around $3000 at launch. You can buy one today for $40 if you want, even less for the non-flagships. thumb.gif The motherboards are a bit expensive though, using the rare LGA-1567, a socket shared only by its successor, Westmere-EX (the E7-8800 and 4800 "v1" series). Last I checked they were around $1000 for a quad-socket board, but I've seen a few around $200 recently.

Those boards are for rackmounts, you'll never find them in "standard" formats, let alone anything smaller than ATX. They're nice tho! Reinforce them enough and you can have a cheaper version of the Lian Li Table. ;3

I think if you did price compare a launch FX8 to even a Xeon E5-6 1.5 years down the road, AMD's only problem was that the price was too good to be true to people already used to paying through the nose, even after factoring IPC. :3
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Thanks for the fillers. As you said, Bulldozer would have been a direct competitor to Nehalem if only it were timely.
Everything perfect, Bulldozer would have launched in late 2009 on 45nm FDSOI. Even though Craig Sander hinted that AMD would have done 45nm FDSOI in 2007.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1579533/guru3d-amd-faces-lawsuit-over-core-count-on-bulldozer/120_40#post_24584117

???

I thought my explanation was pretty clear.

So you just tried to explain CMT is equal to CMP. There's only one decoder unit (Kaveri has 2 decoder units hence why the ST to MT scaling is better - google it) containing 4 decoders. I'll show it again;



"In CMP architecture, a die has two CPU's on it. Each individual CPU has half the registers of the single CPU die, but because there are two processors on a CMP chip, the total resources are the same."

http://corner4you.blogspot.be/2012/07/fmt-and-cmt.html

Even AMD agrees CMT doesn't equal CMP;



Sure the 8350 is a CMP chip with CMT because it has 4 modules, their Bulldozer based dual cores aren't even CMP. If you haven't noticed by now, AMD's implentation for CMT is duplicating the ALU cluster, that's not adding another CPU - making the module technically the core. If AMD decided to go for a dedicated front-end for each cluster, it's practically stupid because it's literally CMP instead and you're not saving any space/power consumption anymore. It's just you released a real 8 core and we wouldn't have this conversation.

I agree the count of FPU's don't define a chip to be a true x-core or not, Ive said that in my first post. And people were wrong about BD only having a single FPU, there are 2 in total which each of them can work independently of each other aka a symmetric-ish design. The guy isn't going to get far with those arguments, he'll defo lose it.
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

it is when it's their architecture.

haha, how cute.
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haha, how cute.

what's up sports fan?

it's not theirs is that what you're saying?
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So you just tried to explain CMT is equal to CMP. There's only one decoder unit (Kaveri has 2 decoder units hence why the ST to MT scaling is better - google it) containing 4 decoders. I'll show it again;



"In CMP architecture, a die has two CPU's on it. Each individual CPU has half the registers of the single CPU die, but because there are two processors on a CMP chip, the total resources are the same."

http://corner4you.blogspot.be/2012/07/fmt-and-cmt.html

Even AMD agrees CMT doesn't equal CMP;



Sure the 8350 is a CMP chip with CMT because it has 4 modules, their Bulldozer based dual cores aren't even CMP. If you haven't noticed by now, AMD's implentation for CMT is duplicating the ALU cluster, that's not adding another CPU - making the module technically the core. If AMD decided to go for a dedicated front-end for each cluster, it's practically stupid because it's literally CMP instead and you're not saving any space/power consumption anymore. It's just you released a real 8 core and we wouldn't have this conversation.

I agree the count of FPU's don't define a chip to be a true x-core or not, Ive said that in my first post. And people were wrong about BD only having a single FPU, there are 2 in total which each of them can work independently of each other aka a symmetric-ish design. The guy isn't going to get far with those arguments, he'll defo lose it.
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People posting McDonald's spilled hot coffee missed some key details - it was an elderly lady and the coffee spelled onto her genitals causing third degree burns to her genitals which is one of the most sensitive body parts and required skin grafts to repair. If it was spilled somewhere else on her body it would probably not be as bad. I learned about this in my Torts Business Law classes in college.

She also didn't ask for an enormous compensation either, she only requested McDonald's to pay for her medical bill, which they refused. During the trial it became apparent that McDonald's heat the coffee up to 90C to mask the atrocious taste and quality of the coffee, prompting the jury to award her the compensation she was given as a warning to those arrogant fools.
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Huh, the hot coffee (NO, not that one) incident was so hyped up in Asia that I didn't know the true story. Thanks!
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She also didn't ask for an enormous compensation either, she only requested McDonald's to pay for her medical bill, which they refused. During the trial it became apparent that McDonald's heat the coffee up to 90C to mask the atrocious taste and quality of the coffee, prompting the jury to award her the compensation she was given as a warning to those arrogant fools.

Lets just skip the fact that you actually make coffee with boiling water in the first place. (Taste is just subjective)
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