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I agree, I was thinking about that 8core Atom C2750. Despite having 8 cores, an i3 is going to outperforming it 95% of the time.

More like 100% of the time. I guarantee it!
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All I know for sure AMD has the weirdest roadmaps... (Python slide has 32nm and Fusion stuff in its box *sigh*)

Python, Copperhead, Eagle => 45nm Bulldozer
Phenom FX = Python

Python(45nm) => Orochi(32nm) cuz snakes.

Bulldozer modules are called Bulldozer cores in those dark days. That just made it confusing since a Bulldozer core is some how two cores. Mind blown~

Wasn't till 2009, that module terminology was adopted..


Edited by Seronx - 11/9/15 at 10:51am
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I cannot believe this is an issue.

Everyone knows performance isn't based on number of cpu cores. That being said does the FX cpu act like a 8 core cpu, and the answer is yes. If anyone is to blame here it's microsoft due to fact their OS handled Bulldozer terribly, and when they released a hotfix it changed it from 8 core cpu to 4 core cpu 8 threads to fix various performance penalties due to the nature of how the FX cpu's work. Ie don't schedule a thread to the same module already being used, send it to an available module so the Cpu doesn't share resources when it doesn't need to.

This lawsuit will go no where. Fx cpu's have 8 integer cores, and there is no formal definition of cpu cores. Would also be worth noting that the FX's FPU may be shared but its actually 2- 128bit FMAC's which can combine or operate separately.
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I cannot believe this is an issue.

Everyone knows performance isn't based on number of cpu cores. That being said does the FX cpu act like a 8 core cpu, and the answer is yes. If anyone is to blame here it's microsoft due to fact their OS handled Bulldozer terribly, and when they released a hotfix it changed it from 8 core cpu to 4 core cpu 8 threads to fix various performance penalties due to the nature of how the FX cpu's work. Ie don't schedule a thread to the same module already being used, send it to an available module so the Cpu doesn't share resources when it doesn't need to.

This lawsuit will go no where. Fx cpu's have 8 integer cores, and there is no formal definition of cpu cores. Would also be worth noting that the FX's FPU may be shared but its actually 2- 128bit FMAC's which can combine or operate separately.

It's really up to the people who design the architecture to define what the cores are. So yes you're right and AMD is very much right, because in methodology if we go by anyone else's points of reference a Core 2 Quad was just a fancy dual core.
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All I know for sure AMD has the weirdest roadmaps... (Python slide has 32nm and Fusion stuff in its box *sigh*)

Python, Copperhead, Eagle => 45nm Bulldozer
Phenom FX = Python

Python(45nm) => Orochi(32nm) cuz snakes.

Bulldozer modules are called Bulldozer cores in those dark days. That just made it confusing since a Bulldozer core is some how two cores. Mind blown~

Wasn't till 2009, that module terminology was adopted..



Darn, I still hurt from not seeing a 32/22nm 8/10 core STARS CPU in action :/ I mean at least someone at AMD should've built a prototype and leak the benchmark results biggrin.gif
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after all if someone can win a dumb suit like the aforementioned "coffee" burn suit, then pretty much anything is possible.

If your referencing the Mcdonalds coffee lawsuit then your 1 of a million people that are constantly spreading misinformation thumb.gif That is not what happened at all.

Please stop it.
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Darn, I still hurt from not seeing a 32/22nm 8/10 core STARS CPU in action :/ I mean at least someone at AMD should've built a prototype and leak the benchmark results biggrin.gif

The Stars core ended up hitting a wall at 32nm. That's why Llano was the last version of it. No efficiency gains, performance gains, etc. from the new node really compared to 45nm.
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If you're not smart enough/too lazy to look into what you're buying, maybe you shouldn't worry about what you're getting and shouldn't have an American Adult Tantrum™ and sue someone just because you're dumb.
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The Stars core ended up hitting a wall at 32nm. That's why Llano was the last version of it. No efficiency gains, performance gains, etc. from the new node really compared to 45nm.

from what i heard, the design in itself was very ineffective when put on a smaller node, resulting with the benefits of a smaller node losing to losses like dramatically increased stray capacitance and increased power density.
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If they were going to sue about anything, they should've sued over this statement.

The industry's first and only native 8-core desktop processor for unmatched multitasking and pure core performance with "Bulldozer" architecture.


Intel's 8 core, and even 6 core CPU's CRUSH ( not just match ) the multitasking and pure core performance of the Bulldozer architecture.
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