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Pity, then perhaps you should throw your smartphones away. None of them have Real Intel Cores, not even the Atom powered ones. :3
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I hope this does not open the door to sue Intel for there moblie I7 and I5 cpu's
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I think sometimes we should ask ourselves, "Is my enthusiasm for computers causing me to take this issue more personally than I should?"

And hold on:
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If you advertise your car with "this car can run on both motors twice as fast as a car with only one motor", then your customers figure out it is not really true, even if in the spec sheet for knowledgable people only, you state that "car engines will run at half speed vs one engine, if you run at 60mph", than it is false advertisement.

That is the issue. AMD advertised the bulldozer 8 core as "fully functioning 8 dedicated cores", but it requires understanding (and people on OCN are far from your average buyer) to know when it will function as 8 core, and when it is not. And if you don't know how to look at a CPU schematics shown here, or know where to find those find prints, in some specific cases, you will not be able to run with 8 dedicated cores.
So, it might fall under false advertisement, and not "not functioning tech".

You just can't propose that a manufacturer is responsible for educating a customer on any product in any means other than safety issues. Beyond that all they will tell you is information that will make you desire the product more. The company provides specifications adequate to satisfy the dealers of their products, and then there's nothing but a principle called consumer awareness that sort of dictates that the target demographic knows enough about the product to make an informed decision.

And this makes a very clear explanation for me as to why people might likely not understand this, seeing as how people not on OCN (let's say jealoussmiley.gif) buy all of their electronics with basically one feature in mind. "How long does the battery last?" "How many minutes of video can it hold?" "Can I watch Netflix on it?"

Back when this product was relevant in the market, the question was "Does it still have a DVD player in it?" Anything it could do above and beyond what was already being done was purely prospective i.e. you're still only going 60 mph.
Edited by un-midas touch - 11/10/15 at 9:32am
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http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-issues-official-statement-regarding-bulldozer-core-count-suit_175136

“We believe our marketing accurately reflects the capabilities of the “Bulldozer” architecture which, when implemented in an 8 core AMD FX processor is capable of running 8 instructions concurrently.” – AMD
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It means that if they completely duplicated all the hardware in one fully independent core, they would get 100% more performance for 100% more are and power. Having the cores share components let them get 4/5th the performance, on average, for less transistor budget.

And? You're missing the point.
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No, it's still dual-core.

You're being illogical at this point. AMD clearly said that the module is NOT "CMP" which stands for chip multicore-processor. Before you ask, yes there's a defitinition for CMP which the module alone doesnt meet. Have you even bothered to at least check the pictures I have provided? The module is a single core CPU with CMT technology just like a haswell core but with SMT instead.

I'll link the comparison again which you clearly missed;



It's literally pointless to keep discussing these small details if AMD even admited a module is not a dual-core.
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And? You're missing the point.
You're being illogical at this point. AMD clearly said that the module is NOT "CMP" which stands for chip multicore-processor. Before you ask, yes there's a defitinition for CMP which the module alone doesnt meet. Have you even bothered to at least check the pictures I have provided? The module is a single core CPU with CMT technology just like a haswell core but with SMT instead.

I'll link the comparison again which you clearly missed;



It's literally pointless to keep discussing these small details if AMD even admited a module is not a dual-core.

That image discusses threading not cores. Please 180 and keep walking. Cores are needed inside of a Module don't be stupid.

Says specifically multi-threading architecture comparison. It doesn't specify how the Module is made up.

SMT happens over one core. So it only shows one core! Because CMT happens over a whole module it depicts a whole module. Because CMP happens over two separate cores it shows two separate cores.

If you're going to use an image or document to prove your point go an look at AMD's patents for Bulldozer.
Edited by SpeedyVT - 11/10/15 at 10:31am
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I'd rather have "real" cores so go go go Zen!

Exactly, if BD had "real" cores why did they change the architecture back to "real cores", AMD can't have it both ways. And oh yeah, the 12 Compute Cores marketing spin is beyond lame.



I guarantee you 90% of the people will think they're buying a 12 core processor.
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Exactly, if BD had "real" cores why did they change the architecture back to "real cores", AMD can't have it both ways. And oh yeah, the 12 Compute Cores marketing spin is beyond lame.


Compute Cores mean that it can handle HSA CPU talk.

Basically cross communication between CPU and GPU. However we're probably never going to see HSA lift off because of the powers that be.

Intel is really interested in it, but I think Intel doesn't want to play ball until AMD is dead.
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Compute Cores mean that it can handle HSA CPU talk.

Basically cross communication between CPU and GPU. However we're probably never going to see HSA lift off because of the powers that be.

Intel is really interested in it, but I think Intel doesn't want to play ball until AMD is dead.
I know exactly why they call it that, but 90% of the people are being misled is my point
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I know exactly why they call it that, but 90% of the people are being misled is my point

Everyone should do their research before buying.

Even AMD explains what Compute Cores are,

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/compute-cores

There you go you can't complain when you're being led by blind arguments and your arguments get wiped off the board with a valid explanation.

AMD is using mobile technology definitions like phone specs. They are pushing hard for the mobile platform arena and specifying cores like this how it's done. This isn't done for you or me, any consumer. This is done to get companies interested in their design for mobile parts.
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