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Originally Posted by SpeedyVT View Post

Because CMP happens over two separate cores it shows two separate cores.

Funny. How the hell can it be a dual core when AMD clearly stated it is NOT a chip multicore-processor. Multi means 2 or more.
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It doesn't specify how the Module is made up.

Don't be blind. It clearly does, but you seem to be incapable of understanding a diagram. Simply says; in a FP load you have 2 hardware threads available and 2 hardware threads in ALU workload.
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Cores are needed inside of a Module don't be stupid.

Don't be silly, there's no such thing as a core inside a core which is inside a core which is again inside a core etc.. A module isn't any different than a Intel core with the exception of duplicating an ALU cluster aka CMT, pictures are readily available you can confirm this for yourself.

Here you go, plenty of front and back-end diagrams;

Haswell + SB comparison: http://www.realworldtech.com/haswell-cpu/
Bulldozer + instanbul comparison: http://www.realworldtech.com/bulldozer/
post #242 of 333
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Funny. How the hell can it be a dual core when AMD clearly stated it is NOT a chip multicore-processor. Multi means 2 or more.
Don't be blind. It clearly does, but you seem to be incapable of understanding a diagram. Simply says; in a FP load you have 2 hardware threads available and 2 hardware threads in ALU workload.
Don't be silly, there's no such thing as a core inside a core which is inside a core which is again inside a core etc.. A module isn't any different than a Intel core with the exception of duplicating an ALU cluster aka CMT, pictures are readily available you can confirm this for yourself.

Here you go, plenty of front and back-end diagrams;

Haswell + SB comparison: http://www.realworldtech.com/haswell-cpu/
Bulldozer + instanbul comparison: http://www.realworldtech.com/bulldozer/

Where does AMD state it's not a multicore processor?

You have a hard time with the term modular.

mod·u·lar
ˈmäjələr/
adjective
adjective: modular

employing or involving a module or modules as the basis of design or construction.
"modular housing units"
Mathematics
of or relating to a modulus.

It's a simplified diagram to explain threading. Who's to say it couldn't involve more cores per thread, so they left it out of notation. It wasn't a diagram for a consumer because it did not reflect the hardware composition of bulldozer but the CMT platform.
Edited by SpeedyVT - 11/10/15 at 11:06am
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Where does AMD state it's not a multicore processor?



Need any explanation for this? If it were CMP, it'd be 100% not 80% - actually they wouldn't have even mentioned that if it was CMP. The other picture I've just given you, confirms it. AMD + that source against you. Who wins?
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It's a simplified diagram to explain threading. Who's to say it couldn't involve more cores per thread, so they left it out of notation. It wasn't a diagram for a consumer because it did not reflect the hardware composition of bulldozer but the CMT platform.

You know you aren't making any sense, right?
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Need any explanation for this? If it were CMP, it'd be 100% not 80% - actually they wouldn't have even mentioned that if it was CMP. The other picture I've just given you, confirms it. AMD + that source against you. Who wins?
You know you aren't making any sense, right?

LOL! 80% is -20% of CMP and that's exactly how it performs. "When one thread is active, it has full access to all shared resources.", and what handles threads and executes them?

You can not execute a thread without a core.

You say it's just a module...

But my argument is a MODULE CONTAINING WHAT!?!

You sit there and say two ALU units.

A module is nothing more than a container for said components to do said things. If a said components are two cores. Than it is two cores! However they have to have shared spaces because that's part of being in a module.

Two car engines do not make you go faster. One could say operate the AC and the power while the other dedicates itself to operation. If you haven't seen a car engine it takes up a lot of space, so if it's two smaller engines they are both sharing the same space they are also probably sharing the same radiator and the other things. Smaller engines don't necessarily make something faster period.

If you didn't educate yourself when buying the parts to understand what eight cores has over two or four than you're imbecile.
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Everyone should do their research before buying.

Even AMD explains what Compute Cores are,

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/compute-cores

There you go you can't complain when you're being led by blind arguments and your arguments get wiped off the board with a valid explanation.

AMD is using mobile technology definitions like phone specs. They are pushing hard for the mobile platform arena and specifying cores like this how it's done. This isn't done for you or me, any consumer. This is done to get companies interested in their design for mobile parts.

You yourself said HSA isn't likely to take off, the software support is limited, yet people are supposed to be buying this to use the 12 Compute Cores on non-existent software? Great strategy AMD. rolleyes.gif
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You yourself said HSA isn't likely to take off, the software support is limited, yet people are supposed to be buying this to use the 12 Compute Cores on non-existent software? Great strategy AMD. rolleyes.gif

Software exists, mostly document software. Windows partially utilizes it. It's just not adopted in the mainstream of things.
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Software exists, mostly document software. Windows partially utilizes it. It's just not adopted in the mainstream of things.

So basically, it's pointless, gotcha.
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So basically, it's pointless, gotcha.

Well when you're flying through Window's File Explorer it pretty much has the edge. It will load the contents in a directory really really fast. It's not a huge difference between really fast Intel I-series pull speed, but it's definitely nicer than old processors that just sat there spinning the mouse wheel.
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12 Compute Cores to fly in Windows Explorer? You got a benchmark for that? biggrin.gif
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Only a matter of time...




Dem CUs{GPU Compute Cores} be Extended FPUs yo!
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