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Originally Posted by tajoh111 View Post

But AMD put heavy emphasis on it being a true 8 core. i.e real core campaign.

AMD definitely got a bit more sales preying on the ignorance with the 8 core campaign than Nvidia got advertising the card as a 4gb card vs 3.5gb card. The 0.5gb didn't matter to most people as they still got what they paid for as far as performance goes.

Think about this, do you think AMD sales would significantly decrease if they advertised their chips as a 4 core design with some moniker like super threading or as a 4 module chip? I think it would. Do you think the gtx 970 sales would have been effected much if they advertised it as a 3.5gb card considering its value proposition at the time(performing at a 290x(550-499) level for 330 dollars)?

The gtx 970's performance sold for itself. That 0.5gb hardly matters as even with that knowledge available now, they sell well still and havent really had a price drop since release.

The only thing the fx8150 had going for it was that it had supposedly more cores than a 2600k. It other characteristics were worse, it was slower, was as expensive as a 2600k processor upon release, didn't overclock well and drank up more power like a pentium 4.
All 4gb of memory was never advertised full speed, much like all 8 cores in AMD work like quadcores most of the time. Hence the similarities.

The difference is, that 0.5gb barely only impacted a small amount of users. On the other hand, the fx8150 performs more like a quadcore 90 percent of the time and like an 8 core in a couple instances which all 8 cores can be activated and used.

And this is what I think what people on here expect of cores nowadays than some artificial way like hyperthreading.

That being a core should be capable of doing work in a great variety of tasks. If those cores don't activate in most scenarios(not due to some power saving measure like phones), then they shouldn't be advertised as such.

Once again, performance is irrelevant.

What you're saying is like Chevy advertising their Colorado with a 6 cylinder turbo diesel, and the customer buying it expecting the 6.7L Cummins engine when it's a much smaller engine. It's on the buyer that made an uninformed, baseless assumption. There is no industry standard on what the definition of a core is, and performance is not used to determine what is a core. Similarly, number of cylinders is not what is used to determine engine performance. AMD cannot be held liable for a customer not getting what they expected if they bought the product uninformed. That's what return policies are for.
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From JF-AMD (John Fruehe) in good ol' 2011 in response to me arguing that Bulldozer has modules not cores:
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What, exactly, is a "traditional" core? Is it a single core? Anything outside of a single core has some degree of shared components. Remember when you had a single memory controller for the entire system, even with 8P? And then you had a single memory controller in the socket? And then a single memory controller shared by all the cores?

I would argue that the definition of "core" changes over time and people need to say "It's not like I want it to be" and not cling to the idea that there is some established "standard" for a core.
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Yes, I'm sure I never said Intel.

You assumed I did, but I didn't.

My statement still stands ... AMD didn't invent the first multi-core processor, it isn't up to them to define what a core means.

amd designed their cpu they get to decide what a core is.

not intel, not ibm, no arm, not you, not me.

and certainly not some group of lawyers out to make a buck.
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post #84 of 333
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Yes, I'm sure I never said Intel.

You assumed I did, but I didn't.

My statement still stands ... AMD didn't invent the first multi-core processor, it isn't up to them to define what a core means.

Bulldozer has eight Integer units which can all execute instructions simultaneously, therefore is has eight cores. FPU is irrelevant because there are plenty of CPUs designs that don't even possess hardware FPUs. Unless you want to argue that an Intel 386 or any ARM processor before v7 aren't actually CPUs since none of them feature hardware FPUs.

A CPU could function entirely without having an FPUs at all, but it can't function without Integer Units.
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Since AMD was completely open and transparent from day one about what the K15h uarch design was, this guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. The design's capabilities and limitations were always known.

Of course, he knows that. He's just wanting AMD to give him some money to go away.
     
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Saw the tile, came in with expectation for some fun, was not disappointed. thumb.gif
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Having said that, I think this stupid lawsuit will go about as far as the other retarded one ... suing nVidia because of 3.5GB.
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Originally Posted by BinaryDemon View Post

Tony Dickey should sue for emotional damages, I hear bulldozer owners cry themselves to sleep every night. biggrin.gif

Mine was free, so I do cry myself to sleep, but they're tears of joy, irregardless of its IPC disadvantage. smile.gif
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Having said that, I think this stupid lawsuit will go about as far as the other retarded one ... suing nVidia because of 3.5GB.

How far did that go? If bulldozer has 7 full strength cores and 1 core that's gimped or shares resources or whatever then that seems awfully similar to nvidia with it/s 3.5GB and .5GB of gimped memory. If AMD did release a chip with 7 full cores and 1 gimped core then I don't really see an issue with suing them for it. I would hope they don't get a lot of monetary damage, but it would force AMD to be more honest in their advertising.

I kinda think every corporation could do with the occasional lawsuit to force them to not be such lying scumbags...
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How far did that go? If bulldozer has 7 full strength cores and 1 core that's gimped or shares resources or whatever then that seems awfully similar to nvidia with it/s 3.5GB and .5GB of gimped memory. If AMD did release a chip with 7 full cores and 1 gimped core then I don't really see an issue with suing them for it. I would hope they don't get a lot of monetary damage, but it would force AMD to be more honest in their advertising.

I kinda think every corporation could do with the occasional lawsuit to force them to not be such lying scumbags...

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/mediatek-escalates-the-multicore-madness-with-a-10-core-smartphone-soc/

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/23/nvidia-officially-brands-tegra-3s-five-core-quad-core-architect/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_big.LITTLE

http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/amd-pro-carrizo-arm-trustzone,1-2917.html

I could go on. Multiple types of cores for all of those: Nvidia with four high-power and one low-power, big.LITTLE as a whole being really weird, and AMD including an additional ARM core in their Carrizo design for hardware-level security. So you better get some paperwork ready. You have a lot of people to sue. thumb.gif
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