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post #1551 of 1919
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Originally Posted by npzeyer View Post

I just registered after finding this thread because I too was waiting for the eDrive support.
I think there's some confusion here though: eDrive requires BOTH IEEE 1667 and TCP OPAL support:

OPAL is really the core of the eDrive functionality. It allows you to apply the AES256 encryption to certain ranges of the disk. This is important to allow only a small section to be unencrypted for booting and allow the OS to control the security keys.

http://www.tomshardware.com/us/sponsored/Seagate-Self-Encrypting-Drives-211-5
The equivalent in Linux btw, is called msed.
https://vxlabs.com/2015/02/11/use-the-hardware-based-full-disk-encryption-your-tcg-opal-ssd-with-msed/
http://www.ckode.dk/linux/my-journey-to-linux-part-2/

So it's false for Samsung to say that there's no software for it, when in fact, Windows 8/10 Pro will use it by default if present.

Anyways, I bought some 950 Pros and have been waiting and waiting and now I'm a little pessimistic about the 960 Pro too.

I found out however, that the m2. Intel Pro 6000p should provide OPAL / eDrive functionality from this statement Intel gave to PC Per:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel-SSD-600p-Series-256GB-Full-Review-Low-Cost-M2-NVMe

Well they're not saying there is no software, they're saying "put on hold due to the currently very restricted availability of commercial security software." Not many options out there for the consumer.

Also, Getting E-drive to work isn't the easiest thing. Some of the requriements you have to find to make sure it work aren't even up online. You gotta contact the MB or system manufacturer to get the info. Even then, it doesn't always work. I had one system that refused to do bitlocker through E-drive, even though it met all the requirements and I followed several different guides to the T.
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Well they're not saying there is no software, they're saying "put on hold due to the currently very restricted availability of commercial security software." Not many options out there for the consumer.

Also, Getting E-drive to work isn't the easiest thing. Some of the requriements you have to find to make sure it work aren't even up online. You gotta contact the MB or system manufacturer to get the info. Even then, it doesn't always work. I had one system that refused to do bitlocker through E-drive, even though it met all the requirements and I followed several different guides to the T.
As far as hardware and UEFI requirements there's nothing you can really do about that. Either it works or doesn't. But most recent mobos should work. A good hint that they will is if they have TPM pins on them and TPM functionality in the BIOS. I've read though that some mobos may only enable the required UEFI feature it if you install a TPM and enable it. Another is any mobo supporint vPro (the "Q" series chipsets) Laptops are much more likely to meet the requirements.

For software, if its Samsung, I have no idea why, but Magician forces you first enable it, then to do a secure erase, then install. It's easier if it's not the boot drive. This whole rigamarole isn't required for Crucial, etc.
Edited by npzeyer - 9/24/16 at 6:00pm
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Thanks for the information.
I just took another look at the 960 spec page I linked earlier and they appear to have removed the caveat. It just says:
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ENCRIPTION SUPPORT
AES 256-bit for User Data Encryption,
TCG Opal and eDrive(IEEE1667)
The consumer site still doesn't list the 960.

They've only been seen at an 'event' right? I think we'll have to wait until they are actually in customers hands and see if they actually have it, and if they do, ask Samsung for an explanation regarding the 950
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is there any news on the 960 EVO or 960 PRO?

Will a 960 EVO be a good upgrade over a 950 PRO in terms of performance?
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is there any news on the 960 EVO or 960 PRO?

Will a 960 EVO be a good upgrade over a 950 PRO in terms of performance?

No, just seq read and write smile.gif

@ QD=1 4k random read/write the 950 wil still be a bit faster smile.gif

SM961nvme 1TB is just a bit faster in QD=1 than 950pro, but faster in seq read/write. The sellingpoint is the bigger capacity. That is why I have 2x sm961 nvme 1TB wink.gif
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i think the release of 960 will lower the price of 950 which is a damn fast SSD , i'm not sure anyone will notice a difference between 950/960 read wise-speed wise
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Thanks for the information.
I just took another look at the 960 spec page I linked earlier and they appear to have removed the caveat. It just says:
The consumer site still doesn't list the 960.

They've only been seen at an 'event' right? I think we'll have to wait until they are actually in customers hands and see if they actually have it, and if they do, ask Samsung for an explanation regarding the 950

Thanks for the update. That looks hopeful. I might just take the plunge and get it October given how there are no mainstream reviewers who actually test for it (except in one case a long time ago).

I also hope this means the 950 pro will get a fw update for it too.
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Just picked up a 512 gb 950 pro yesterday and wonder does it really help to cool it when you put heatsinks on them.If yes,any recommendations on the make, how many I would need,the sizes to order so I can slap them on my 950 pro if they do help...Crystaldiskinfo shows 36 cel on my desktop,10 cel more the my 850 evo and pro ssd's,are these temps normal, just curious.
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I'm just going to join in and say I am also very annoyed and feel like I have deceived about thte eDrive and Opal features. It was a big selling point for me. It's false advertising. Absolute rubbish by Samsung saying they both have limited support - SedUtil and Bitlocker are both free and readily available. WHy offer it on their other drives?

Opal can easily be enabled on consumer HDD using the free opensource Sedutil ( https://github.com/Drive-Trust-Alliance/sedutil )
eDrive can easily be enabled using BitLocker

I use Sedutil for my 850 PRO (Opal) and have previously used BitLocker Hardware encryption (eDrive) on the same drive.
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As an early adopter of the 950 Pro 512GB (at quite an expensive price) I too share this annoying disappointment since I was counting on future TCG Opal and eDrive.

Are there any official promises/statements that the 950 Pro WILL definitely get these features? I ask because it may be grounds for a class action due to false advertising and missing features.

If the 960 Pro releases with TCG Opal/eDrive and they abandon the 950 I will *REALLY* be mad since that is borderline extortion due to requiring an upgrade, unless they offered some sort of trade-in option.
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