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post #1591 of 1919
This is the unmodded Maximus II Formula, from our very own forums. This is EXACTLY how the 950 Pro appears in my Asus Rampage board as well. I have NEVER modded the BIOS to work with the 950 Pro, and my Father wouldn't even have a clue on how to mod his BIOS. It just worked out of the retail box instantly, with no tweaks of any kind.

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You're missing my point and you've missed it three times now. Yes you can boot from it using IDE as you know. BUT you do NOT have NVMe support its simply not in your BIOS. The NVMe support has to be added into the BIOS for Z77 and below. I modify BIOS's here for the forum. I've seen inside these BIOS's the modules are simply not there to support the NVMe protocol. These drives are all about NVMe, using NVMe you'd get the most out of these drives.
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With your answers you have already missed the point of his very own question which started this conversation.

He only wanted to know if the booting Legacy Compatibility is transferred to the 960 Pro. Simple as that.No "Full Nvme Support", no 100% performance.

I myself would like to know that also, since i am a few steps from ordering my second 950 Pro or wait a few weeks for a 960 Pro.

I have no intention to be a smartass or start a fight here and i am stating that to make myself clear about it, since attitude in forum posts may be easily misinterpreted.

For the record, i am pretty satisfied with the 950 Pro i use with Win 7 in my Lenovo Y700-17ISK, even if it is bottlecked by PCI-E v2.0 of it's motherboard.
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You're missing my point and you've missed it three times now. Yes you can boot from it using IDE as you know. BUT you do NOT have NVMe support its simply not in your BIOS. The NVMe support has to be added into the BIOS for Z77 and below. I modify BIOS's here for the forum. I've seen inside these BIOS's the modules are simply not there to support the NVMe protocol. These drives are all about NVMe, using NVMe you'd get the most out of these drives.

Your missing my question, I didn't ask if I have NVMe support. I asked if I can boot from the 960 Pro and you sadly proceeded to derail my valid question. Trying to turn this around on me and get a rise out of me is very sad. We have better things to do with our time bud.

So then why does Windows then load and use only the NVMe drivers on a BIOS only system? Windows has been loading the NVMe drivers all year long on my father's old school BIOS system. Everyone else says they installed the NVMe drivers without fail and we max out our PCIe slots speeds using this SSD. Anyway garikfox, It doesn't matter if you mod bios for a living for Asus or Gigabyte or otherwise, I have modded just as many BIOS's too. Besides, what does that have to do with anything I asked? I didn't ask for a debate about NVMe and this debate sort of derails the conversation and my question. I didn't ask for a debate bud, as I already know 100% that it works flawlessly on my system, and I see no where where I asked for a debate. So I am NOT missing any point, I am only missing the answer to my question. lol

Anyways, why are you telling me I am missing the point when I AM THE ONE WHO ASKED THE QUESTION, NOT YOU? It still works and it still uses the NVMe drivers upon boot regardless. All the tests prove it. I don't care if it uses IDE, AHCI, LMAO, NVMe, ETH, BLT, SUC, EFK, ITH, EMH, VGR, AGP, PCI, USB, USA, USSR, SATA, MOLEX, or any ABC acronym for that matter. The question is, does the 960 boot on my board like the 950 does, yes or no? Can we please try to answer that question, instead of causing a ugly debate please?

Here it is crystal clear:
The point (and question) is NOT about NVMe being inside the BIOS! THE point is, IT BOOTS on my BIOS only system, and many others, and my question is, does the 960 also boot too? <-- This is the ONLY question AND the ONLY point of this conversation!!! I didn't ask if my BIOS has a built in NVMe module, I asked if the 960 Pro boots on my board like the 950 does?

THAT is the only question to answer here please. Thank you! If you can't answer that question, then that is OK too. I just want the question answered, but please not a debate about protocols used.
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post #1595 of 1919
Well since the 960 Pro hasn't been released yet no one can answer that question, but I'm assuming it will work the same as the 950 Pro.
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Wow this is very interesting guys. Here is a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R booting Windows 10 from the 950 Pro. No NVMe drivers installed so Windows is using SCSI (?) and he says it has been running perfectly everyday since early summer. Now I wonder if the 960 does the exact same thing on this exact same board. Hmmm





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I think you're wrong here you do need a modded BIOS for NVMe support for Z77 and below. I'm NOT talking about your IDE boot support which most people wouldn't use this drive for, I mean full NVMe support.

I installed a 950 Pro into a z77 system that was not modified and it installed Windows 7 and had no booting issues. I posted about it a while back and I also was getting the full Speeds out of the drive.

I still advise everyone to use Z97 chipsets and higher, but it worked for me on older ones..
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I own the system the above screenshots were from, here's some more, showing the Samsung NVMe driver is installed and working. ('SCSI' is just the default drive category Windows uses for any drive that is not SATA or IDE, it doesn't mean the driver isn't working. Obviously no drive in my system is using SCSI cables or SAS connectors or the SCSI protocol.) Note also the benchmark pic above is not one drive, it's two in software RAID 0. Actual perf is half that. Samsung Magician has the highest numbers (no surprise), almost 1700 MB/s seq read. The drive is being limited by the 2000 MB/s max speed of an x4 PCIe 2.0 link. Perhaps in the future an M.2 RAID card (http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/CS-product_nvme.htm coming soon) will allow utilizing the full bandwidth if plugged into an x16 slot (might allow 2 960's to achieve 7000 MB/s on X58).

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Looking at some previous posts I think the confusion is about BIOS NVMe support. Obviously pre-UEFI BIOS's don't have it built-in, and obviously the 950 boots anyway. So it's not using NVMe protocol during the early boot process, a feature the drive manufacturer has to deliberately build in to the drive, and Samsung has done so with the 950. But this isn't 1985 and after Windows takes control from the BIOS, very early, it no longer relies on the (8086 16-bit real mode) BIOS to access any drive. It uses 64-bit NT kernel drivers. So BIOS support for anything doesn't matter after that point. On my X58 Win10 system, the OS is using the Samsung NVMe drivers to access this device and there is full NVMe support. It's just another PCIe device, and NVMe is just a software protocol running on top of the hardware PCIe bus. The driver just needs to accept OS NVMe requests and send them directly over PCIe to the drive. There's no BIOS involvement, so not having NVMe support in the BIOS is no obstacle. Worst I can see happening is boot times will be a little slower than on a UEFI system. On mine, PCI 2.0 vs 3.0 might be a bigger factor. It takes 20 seconds for my system to get from the end of the POST screen to the desktop; but I think I can live with that. There are children in 3rd world countries that have to wait more than a minute to boot, so I still consider myself fortunate.
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I installed a 950 Pro into a z77 system that was not modified and it installed Windows 7 and had no booting issues. I posted about it a while back and I also was getting the full Speeds out of the drive.

I still advise everyone to use Z97 chipsets and higher, but it worked for me on older ones..

I can't solder a new chipset onto my board and I am not purchasing a new board until it has full Optane support, which could be a year away. In the meantime I have to replace the slowly dying boot SSD I have now and I want it to be a M.2 SSD because I am going to fully retire SSD's that require a sata cable. I want my next SSD to be able to be transferred from this old x58 system to the new 2017 Optane enabled system.

I spoke to Samsung today, spent a while getting my question elevated to a decent tech person and he confirmed their NVMe driver will install on my BIOS only system and work exactly as they intended. However, he had no information about the 960 yet either, and that was the reason I called them. Is the 960 not yet for sale? Oh well I can't afford it until December anyway...
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