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I have to point out that this Steam thingy has a number of heavyweight exclusives, like, for example, Left For Dead, Dota 2, CS:Go etc. Sure, they are not Steam OS exclusives but still, they run on SteamOS. So it's not like this thing will have lack of popular games on it, as it stands SteamOS has atm more games supported than PS4 and XBone combined. Not magnitudes more but still ...

What will matter in the end for your average consumer is the question "Is this game "xxxx" which I want to play available on this platform?" as that is what sells the hardware to your average consumer. So some people will be, darn it wont have battlefiled 4, not my thing while some others be like "yay dota 2" and go for it.

I personally do not believe it will crush current gen traditional consoles outright upon its release, however, I do believe it will "steal" some market share from the traditional consoles by making some people who want a console to get a Steam Machine instead and using it just like they would a console. With a controller on a couch and not a worry in the world as long as they get about 30fps or a bit more.

For those people who are tech savy enough to actually care about hardware the are offering the Steam Link. So that their quad Titan X configuration can boil the water in basement or howl as loud as a vacuum cleaner if it needs to.

Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 are both available on Xbox 360. CS:GO is available on Xbox 360 and PS3. That's two of your heavyweight exclusives not being so exclusive.

DOTA 2 is pretty much impossible to play with controllers. So are most RTS, city building, and other strategy games.
Edited by Tsumi - 11/12/15 at 1:40am
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Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2 are both available on Xbox 360. CS:GO is available on Xbox 360 and PS3. That's two of your heavyweight exclusives not being so exclusive.

DOTA 2 is pretty much impossible to play with controllers. So are most RTS, city building, and other strategy games.

TBH I'm myself not a moba guy so I have no idea if Dota 2 is controller playable or not. The few rounds I have done in it have left me with impression that it's intended to be played by controller (limited number of controls, relatively simple movement) so in my impression it should do fine with that new steam controller. Have not ordered mine yet so no idea if thats so in reality.

As far as Left for dead franchise goes - I'm not a zombies guy either so was not aware that these have been ported. I guess it kinda makes sense considering they are running on a decade old dx9 engine.

That said, one should find probably something from the list:
https://steamdb.info/linux/ - 1400 in the list atm for SteamOS
and for the sake of completness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - PS4 games 814 in the list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - XBone games 495 in the list
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2 years later....

$450 for an i3-4130T processor, 4gb of ram, 500gb hd, and a "leveraged GTX 860M"




This a joke?
It sure looks like it.

At this point the support and performance of Nvidia GPUs under Linux is much worse and AMD is even more behind so the solution would be to buy a Steam Machine and install Windows on in but then why not just buy a PC from the start? I see no advantages to these Steam Machines.
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TBH I'm myself not a moba guy so I have no idea if Dota 2 is controller playable or not. The few rounds I have done in it have left me with impression that it's intended to be played by controller (limited number of controls, relatively simple movement) so in my impression it should do fine with that new steam controller. Have not ordered mine yet so no idea if thats so in reality.

As far as Left for dead franchise goes - I'm not a zombies guy either so was not aware that these have been ported. I guess it kinda makes sense considering they are running on a decade old dx9 engine.

That said, one should find probably something from the list:
https://steamdb.info/linux/ - 1400 in the list atm for SteamOS
and for the sake of completness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - PS4 games 814 in the list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - XBone games 495 in the list

Two words: skill shots. Skill shots in MOBAs like DOTA 2 and LoL are based on where your cursor is at. The ability to finely control where your spells are going is what differentiates good players from really good ones. It's really not that much different from sniping, except there is no auto-aim possible like there is for sniping with controllers. You don't just aim direction, some spells also require for you to aim distance as well. Yes, commands are relatively few, but it's the precision that makes the game difficult and near impossible to play well with a controller.
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Two words: skill shots. Skill shots in MOBAs like DOTA 2 and LoL are based on where your cursor is at. The ability to finely control where your spells are going is what differentiates good players from really good ones. It's really not that much different from sniping, except there is no auto-aim possible like there is for sniping with controllers. You don't just aim direction, some spells also require for you to aim distance as well. Yes, commands are relatively few, but it's the precision that makes the game difficult and near impossible to play well with a controller.

It's the type of thing where it could possibly be fun if everyone was having to use the same controller.... but you will be playing against PC gamers with a steam machine soooo, good luck to anyone who tries it lol.
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Steam controller has a track-pad which, in theory, should be equivalent to having a mouse once you get used to it. Then again I have not ordered mine yet so not sure if that is so in reality as well.
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Steam controller has a track-pad which, in theory, should be equivalent to having a mouse once you get used to it. Then again I have not ordered mine yet so not sure if that is so in reality as well.

I haven't used one either, but watching people with it... I think it settles somewhere in between mouse + keyboard and touchpad+keyboard on a laptop.
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I haven't used one either, but watching people with it... I think it settles somewhere in between mouse + keyboard and touchpad+keyboard on a laptop.

Probably a lot closer to touchpad + keyboard on laptop than mouse + keyboard. I don't think the thumb is quite as capable of being as coordinated as an entire hand. Plus most players don't play with screen locked on the character, primarily due to tactical disadvantages of doing so, which means movement of the character and movement of the screen are separate. Using your thumb on a trackpad to move the cursor across the entire screen rapidly... I just don't see it working out well.
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Probably a lot closer to touchpad + keyboard on laptop than mouse + keyboard. I don't think the thumb is quite as capable of being as coordinated as an entire hand.

yea... looks like a touch pad that is positioned better and looks like it has a bit better latency (no idea if that's true).
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