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Usually when this point is brought up, the means by which a slight increase is justified is for cheaper games, and what seems (based on the current gen consoles current abilities) like a shorter life span, the steam machine would last longer.


Real problem is that we've to wait till we see a matured exclusive on the PS4 to be released to take comparative notes. My argument about cookie cut titles will always stand, a boat with too many captains sails nowhere fast. If you want to play games that are for all platforms PC is ideal, everyone should pretty much own one console and one PC.
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Consider I estimate that PS4 will be $250 this Black Friday. $320 for bundles. I have absolute doubt that it's worth the money unless you sink another $300-400 for a fuller system. You get a PC to play games in detail better than a console not to play them equally as good. Steam machines are like a terrible niche, the only thing good to come of it was the controller. People could already do Steam on Linux.

I'm talking $500-$600 alphas. They're better than 'equal' to current consoles. They're pre-built in a living-room friendly form factor which is important to non enthusiasts. That seems like a reasonable niche to me. I'm talking about the windows unit. You could already do steam on linux, but why would anyone want linux (steam OS or otherwise) over windows if the option is there? Part of the value I see in a "console PC" is native backward compatibility with an enormous selection of pre-existing games. If you restrict yourself to linux, then most of that is lost.

As for the controller, I don't think that was much of a triumph. It's only an incremental improvement on traditional gamepads, and it was never going to be anything remotely close to a mouse replacement. Seems like a lot of R&D for nothing.
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I'm talking $500-$600 alphas. They're better than 'equal' to current consoles. They're pre-built in a living-room friendly form factor which is important to non enthusiasts. That seems like a reasonable niche to me. I'm talking about the windows unit. You could already do steam on linux, but why would anyone want linux (steam OS or otherwise) over windows if the option is there? Part of the value I see in a "console PC" is native backward compatibility with an enormous selection of pre-existing games. If you restrict yourself to linux, then most of that is lost.

As for the controller, I don't think that was much of a triumph. It's only an incremental improvement on traditional gamepads, and it was never going to be anything remotely close to a mouse replacement. Seems like a lot of R&D for nothing.

Exactly. And if you activate Steam Big Picture upon startup, there will quite literally be no difference between Linux SteamOS and Windows Steam Big Picture other than selection of games.
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I'm talking $500-$600 alphas. They're better than 'equal' to current consoles. They're pre-built in a living-room friendly form factor which is important to non enthusiasts. That seems like a reasonable niche to me. I'm talking about the windows unit. You could already do steam on linux, but why would anyone want linux (steam OS or otherwise) over windows if the option is there? Part of the value I see in a "console PC" is native backward compatibility with an enormous selection of pre-existing games. If you restrict yourself to linux, then most of that is lost.

As for the controller, I don't think that was much of a triumph. It's only an incremental improvement on traditional gamepads, and it was never going to be anything remotely close to a mouse replacement. Seems like a lot of R&D for nothing.

The nice thing is you not only get backwards compatible pc titles, you also get actual 4k resolution, maybe not GAMING at 4k, but playing a 4k video files, interface, media, audio (without something like sony's music app on the ps4) and streaming if you already have a beefy desktop.
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I'm talking $500-$600 alphas. They're better than 'equal' to current consoles. They're pre-built in a living-room friendly form factor which is important to non enthusiasts. That seems like a reasonable niche to me. I'm talking about the windows unit. You could already do steam on linux, but why would anyone want linux (steam OS or otherwise) over windows if the option is there? Part of the value I see in a "console PC" is native backward compatibility with an enormous selection of pre-existing games. If you restrict yourself to linux, then most of that is lost.

As for the controller, I don't think that was much of a triumph. It's only an incremental improvement on traditional gamepads, and it was never going to be anything remotely close to a mouse replacement. Seems like a lot of R&D for nothing.
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Exactly. And if you activate Steam Big Picture upon startup, there will quite literally be no difference between Linux SteamOS and Windows Steam Big Picture other than selection of games.
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The nice thing is you not only get backwards compatible pc titles, you also get actual 4k resolution, maybe not GAMING at 4k, but playing a 4k video files, interface, media, audio (without something like sony's music app on the ps4) and streaming if you already have a beefy desktop.

One flaw! Just one! SteamOS doesn't do the backwards compatibility of older games, not without Wine and other stuff which would require a lot of modification than just using Linux. At that point you're better off using just Windows.
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One flaw! Just one! SteamOS doesn't do the backwards compatibility of older games, not without Wine and other stuff which would require a lot of modification than just using Linux. At that point you're better off using just Linux.

I though I'd made it clear that I was dealing with Windows vs Linux, not Linux vs Linux (SteamOS).
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One flaw! Just one! SteamOS doesn't do the backwards compatibility of older games, not without Wine and other stuff which would require a lot of modification than just using Linux. At that point you're better off using just Windows.
The original steambox designer Xi3 had major breakup issues with Valve after their decision to go forward with Windows instead of SteamOS.
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I still say it's easier to dump a decent GPU into an old, gumpy PC than it is to buy a cheap Steam Machine, but I'm still interested in the idea for Home Theater settings.
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What is the limitation on games? I think I'm missing something.

Stram OS is Linux, not Windows, so you're limited to a much smaller library.

The reason Valve wants to do this is most PC games are currently locked to an OS that you have to purchase, and agree to whatever restrictions Microsoft sees fit to impose upon you. If Steam OS takes off then people will be able to build all gaming PC's they want without paying Microsoft.
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Well duh. The XBone is 2 year old hardware I should hope the steambox beats it. Thank you captain obvious.
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