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Current gen consoles are considerably older than the yet to be released Steam Machines. I expect nothing less than a significant performance lead.

I hope Gabe is understating the performance lead they will have.
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post #32 of 247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mookster View Post

Current gen consoles are considerably older than the yet to be released Steam Machines. I expect nothing less than a significant performance lead.

I hope Gabe is understating the performance lead they will have.

Optimization is key though.. I doubt a Steam machine would stay ahead for long.

I wish Valve would just build a console competitor with an option of upgrading the GPU in a few years. Having a standard for a "minimum" spec PC for developers would do wonders for PC gaming too.
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The reason Valve wants to do this is most PC games are currently locked to an OS that you have to purchase, and agree to whatever restrictions Microsoft sees fit to impose upon you. If Steam OS takes off then people will be able to build all gaming PC's they want without paying Microsoft.

The reason Valve wants to do this is so that they can take users who are locked into Windows, and lock them firmly into their own OS and ecosystem instead. That way they can do their best to ensure that all software running on the system will be purchased via them.

If you think that Valve are going to be less heavy handed about imposing restrictions on you than Microsoft, you've got another thing coming. We've already seen their "we know best, you'll do what we say" attitude manifest in their Steam client. The example I gave in the other thread was forced updates; only now has Microsoft started taking this draconian approach, while Steam has been at it for years. "Want to get straight into the game without waiting for this patch to install? Screw you, you can't launch without updating". "Want to install a specific version of a game because a patch broke something? Screw you, you're installing the latest". "Want to roll back one patch? Screw you, you can't". "Want to defer a client update? Screw you, we're already downloading it". You think they aren't going to subject you to data mining? People have this naive notion of "Valve; champion of the PC gamer", but Valve's principal interest is extracting money out of you as efficiently as it can, just like any other huge corporate entity.

They'll put their dumbed-down one-size-fits-all UI over linux, and you'll use it exactly the way they want you to use it. However much Microsoft has crippled their latest OS, it still offers infinitely more versatility, customizability and freedom than Steam OS ever will.

If you compare the Alpha to it's SteamOS equivalent, the price difference is a mere $50, so it's not like users would be paying Microsoft the full price of a Windows license anyway. They pay $50 more for a 100x more versatile and useful device. I guarantee that 80% of "Steam machines" will end up running Windows within 6 months of purchase.
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Optimization is key though.. I doubt a Steam machine would stay ahead for long.

I wish Valve would just build a console competitor with an option of upgrading the GPU in a few years. Having a standard for a "minimum" spec PC for developers would do wonders for PC gaming too.

There really isn't the modular technology for that. Would need a lot of investments and research. However I know exactly what you'd want! I had the idea laid out in my head for years on how to a modular game system would work. The problem is the execution and the support after it's development.
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Honestly, I really doubt this is true, or going to be true for a while. The graphics grunt + optimizations in the consoles brings it to near r9 370 levels.... I don't think it is possible to build a gaming PC with that level of graphics for <$300...
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Honestly, I really doubt this is true, or going to be true for a while. The graphics grunt + optimizations in the consoles brings it to near r9 370 levels.... I don't think it is possible to build a gaming PC with that level of graphics for <$300...


If Steam machines gain traction then yes I believe it is possible. Mass ordering hardware could in fact reduce retail costs of the hardware considerably. Couple that with the notion of PC software/games being cheaper than their console counterparts and it could very well be a worthwhile investment for console gamers.
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If Steam machines gain traction then yes I believe it is possible. Mass ordering hardware could in fact reduce retail costs of the hardware considerably. Couple that with the notion of PC software/games being cheaper than their console counterparts and it could very well be a worthwhile investment for console gamers.

True, but the way they are creating this whole new market really puts a hamper on that happening. So many companies creating their own steam machine dilutes the sales and results in no one company reaching a really large economy of scale...Then again it's not like these companies (ie dell) are having to acquire new purchasing channels... they probably can produce the machines for super cheap. I dunno, I guess we'll just have to see how it pans out.
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I hope the Steam Machine becomes successful because it will kill off two of my enemies: Microsoft and Consoles. Consoles need to go because they are holding back PC Gaming and Microsoft has too much of a control of PC Gaming with Windows, case in point- forcing PC Gamers to upgrade to the spyware known as Windows 10.
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And what games do you got there Gabe..... Joke compared to the Xbox One.

Steam machines overall have no market.... It is a mediocre spec PC and a poor game library (controller also) console. It's a cute idea though.
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They'll put their dumbed-down one-size-fits-all UI over linux, and you'll use it exactly the way they want you to use it. However much Microsoft has crippled their latest OS, it still offers infinitely more versatility, customizability and freedom than Steam OS ever will.

No, SteamOS is Debian Linux that loads Steam Big Picture mode at boot. It includes a gnome desktop with all the freedom and customization as any other Linux distro. The only thing your limited to by using SteamOS is playing Linux games.
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