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Hey guys, i currently have an a10-5800k with a 1x4 gb vengeance 1333 or 1600mhz ram and its running slow and kind of irresponsive.

Now I want to upgrade this as i read that it is close to an i3 3220 in terms of cpu performance,can someone verify this or reassure me as this saves me a lot of money as im a student and a laptop and a guitar is high up on my list and I wont have to buy another cpu and mobo.

The only games I'm gonna be playing are cs:go,dota 2 and gta v on 1440x900 resolution screen, nothing else besides programming in java and maybe taking up some drawing on photoshop im not sure yet . Now the question is, if im gonna get a gpu,im eyeing an r7 260x or 250 right now(the r7 260x is priced at 82usd as of this moment), do i still need a high speed ram(planning to get an 2x4gb 2133)? or it wont wont matter since im not using the onboard gpu anymore and 1600mhz is okay? Also im in SEA so ill just have it sourced locally. one more thing, do you think i should stay with my cx430 or get a seasonic S12II-520?i know that i should get the seasonic but i only save like 80-100$ per month. My computer freezes or bsod's sometimes, im not sure if this is the heatsink(nevertheless ill be buying a deepcool iceedge 200t), or the 4gb low frequency ram which has 1.5gb dedicated to the gpu and 2.5 or less for everything else ,or its the psu(im only running an apu so this is least likely i believe).

Summary of questions and added stuff.

1.is the a10-5800k equal or close to an i3 3220 or older processor in terms of processing power? dont count their onboard gpu in gauging the performance.
2.should i still get a high frequency ram if i get a dedicated gpu?
3.is the cx430 i currently have okay or not?
4.can i play dota 2 and csgo with an a10-5800k,r7 260x and 8gb ram with speed of 1600 and above with max settings 120 fps with a 1440x900 screen.
5.how good can i play gta 5?can i max it and get 60fps? im gonna be modding it with vehicle replacements only, might not go multiplayer as i dont have any friends that have this game.
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Hey guys, i currently have an a10-5800k with a 1x4 gb vengeance 1333 or 1600mhz ram and its running slow and kind of irresponsive.

Now I want to upgrade this as i read that it is close to an i3 3220 in terms of cpu performance,can someone verify this or reassure me as this saves me a lot of money as im a student and a laptop and a guitar is high up on my list and I wont have to buy another cpu and mobo.

The only games I'm gonna be playing are cs:go,dota 2 and gta v on 1440x900 resolution screen, nothing else besides programming in java and maybe taking up some drawing on photoshop im not sure yet . Now the question is, if im gonna get a gpu,im eyeing an r7 260x or 250 right now(the r7 260x is priced at 82usd as of this moment), do i still need a high speed ram(planning to get an 2x4gb 2133)? or it wont wont matter since im not using the onboard gpu anymore and 1600mhz is okay? Also im in SEA so ill just have it sourced locally. one more thing, do you think i should stay with my cx430 or get a seasonic S12II-520?i know that i should get the seasonic but i only save like 80-100$ per month. My computer freezes or bsod's sometimes, im not sure if this is the heatsink(nevertheless ill be buying a deepcool iceedge 200t), or the 4gb low frequency ram which has 1.5gb dedicated to the gpu and 2.5 or less for everything else ,or its the psu(im only running an apu so this is least likely i believe).

Summary of questions and added stuff.

1.is the a10-5800k equal or close to an i3 3220 or older processor in terms of processing power? dont count their onboard gpu in gauging the performance.
2.should i still get a high frequency ram if i get a dedicated gpu?
3.is the cx430 i currently have okay or not?
4.can i play dota 2 and csgo with an a10-5800k,r7 260x and 8gb ram with speed of 1600 and above with max settings 120 fps with a 1440x900 screen.
5.how good can i play gta 5?can i max it and get 60fps? im gonna be modding it with vehicle replacements only, might not go multiplayer as i dont have any friends that have this game.

1. From the google search I did, it seems the A10 is better when you're not getting a dedicated GPU but when you do the i3 is better yet the A10 handles multi threaded things better due to it being a quad core. It's up to you in this area, I'd keep the A10 to save money.

2. The frequency of the ram is important in this case when you're not using a dedicated GPU, if you are then your RAM should be fine though an extra 4GB wouldn't hurt. I'm hoping it's 1600mhz.

3. This is something you should figure out prior to buying new parts for your PC. I don't think a 430w PSU should have problems running your current rig so it could be something is throwing it off such as instability in one of the parts or software issues or you may have a faulty PSU. My computer froze when I was overclocking my CPU and the system locked up but when I lowered the overclock it never happened again.

4. Watch Here - They're using an A10 + 7750 and it says 60 - 120fps while not recording. The 260x is equivalent to a 7790 so you should be an improvement in performance. I'm not sure how much RAM they have but you should be fine. Both of you are at 900p resolution.

5. With the 260x, the benchmarks of GTA V I've seen are about 30fps on ultra, 47fps on medium, and 50fps on low. This is with a FX-6300 CPU. The A10 and FX-6300 both use Piledriver cores but the A10 is quad core and FX has 6-cores. The A10 also has no L3 cache while the FX has 8MB L3 cache. I'm not sure how much of a performance difference this will make but it should give you an idea.
Edited by myresolution_72 - 11/7/15 at 7:54pm
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Three things. You need more ram as you are ram starved. 2x4 would be a minimum. Second thing is you should at least be running 1866 with an APU. 1333 or 1600 are are a big fail. Thirdly, with only one stick of ram you aren't even running in dual channel. The four core Trinity cpu's are very capable.
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Add a dual-channel 2133 kit and that will feel like a whole new machine. You want the fastest, lowest timing RAM you can get if you're using the iGPU.
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1. From the google search I did, it seems the A10 is better when you're not getting a dedicated GPU but when you do the i3 is better yet the A10 handles multi threaded things better due to it being a quad core. It's up to you in this area, I'd keep the A10 to save money.

2. The frequency of the ram is important in this case when you're not using a dedicated GPU, if you are then your RAM should be fine. I'm hoping it's 1600mhz.

3. This is something you should figure out prior to buying new parts for your PC. I don't think a 430w PSU should have problems running your current rig so it could be something is throwing it off such as instability in one of the parts or software issues or you may have a faulty PSU. My computer froze when I was overclocking my CPU and the system locked up but when I lowered the overclock it never happened again.

4. Watch Here - They're using an A10 + 7750 and it says 60 - 120fps while not recording. The 260x is equivalent to a 7790 so you should be an improvement in performance. I'm not sure how much RAM they have but you should be fine. Both of you are at 900p resolution.

5. With the 260x, the benchmarks of GTA V I've seen are about 30fps on ultra, 47fps on medium, and 50fps on low. This is with a FX-6300 CPU. The A10 and FX-6300 both use Piledriver cores but the A10 is quad core and FX has 6-cores. The A10 also has no L3 cache while the FX has 8MB L3 cache. I'm not sure how much of a performance difference this will make but it should give you an idea.
AMD's L3 is spill over cache, so their L2 is the same as Intel's L3.
There are many alternatives when selecting apus. The best ones I consider are,
  1. A10 6800K @ 4.8 GHz when you need the clock speed for old titles.
  2. A10 7850K @ 4.7 GHz for anything newer than Directx 9. When multithreading of the essence, Kaveri might come in handy.
  3. A 750K & 860K @ 4.7 - 4.4 GHz, exclusively to be used with discrete gpus higher than R7 260(though coming down with a minor frequency deficit).
OP: Also, AMD motherboards are super picky about ram. I inquire you to check before making any commitments. The HIGHEST support I have seen is 2400 MHz 11-13-13-29 for instance and it's like a needle in the hay stack.
Edited by mtcn77 - 11/7/15 at 12:23pm
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My board is the asrock FM2A85X-ITX, it can support up to 2400mhz. So ill try to get a 2133mhz ram first then if i dont play at the settings i want, i can still justify buying an r290x right?
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