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Gameworks is cancer
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not according to call of duty and wow

If you're referring to HBAO you've got to know it's just a shader.
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If you're referring to HBAO you've got to know it's just a shader.

cod was the first game with hairworks iirc

wow is probably hbao though.
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I've been out of the PC gaming/hardware loop for a couple years now. I don't suppose anyone could give me a rough idea of where my 660 Ti might fall on the 1080p chart?
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Gameworks is cancer
You've said that.
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I read this as "AMD has terrible tessellation performance, so it shouldn't be there cause it's not fair omg"
There is a difference between tess for IQ gain and over-tess just to make the one that is worse at it bog down while not providing any IQ gain.
This not only bogs down AMD cards it does the same to Nvidia cards but they have less of a problem with it still it is a performance loss for no IQ gain.

Unless you enjoy lower frame rates/more heat this can't be a positive thing.
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Glad I didn't pre-order. Glad I'm reading this before midnight. Bethesda isn't getting my money for this one. Not in it's current state.
    
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I hope so to, people are beating up BO3 for having poor performance vs graphics quality but the GTX 970 performs very similarly in both games (1080p) and that screen shot looks way worse than anything in BO3.

OK, but I would never play BO3 so I do not care at all. rolleyes.gif
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There is a difference between tess for IQ gain and over-tess just to make the one that is worse at it bog down while not providing any IQ gain.
This not only bogs down AMD cards it does the same to Nvidia cards but they have less of a problem with it still it is a performance loss for no IQ gain.

Unless you enjoy lower frame rates/more heat this can't be a positive thing.

What is funny about this statement it it presupposes no improvement in IQ without any evidence presented.

There are people who claim there is no benefit from AA so I do not believe random claims of "it hurts performance for no benefit" without evidence.

No major improvement is a reasonable statement, and obviously a matter of opinion, but no improvement at all? I won't believe it until I see it. tongue.gif

I will know soon. biggrin.gif
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And I'll say it again, Gimpworks is Cancer.

Nice bridge. Any goats yet?
Edited by Asmodian - 11/9/15 at 3:45pm
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guess I'm not buying this game then...
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1) Nvidia pay game developers to use Gameworks, not the other way around.
2) This saves developer's money from having to create their own technologies.
3) Gameworks is a black box procedure with attached functions and library assets which can't be accessed by the developer to optimize.
4) Competition can't analyse this black box code for their own driver optimization. Performance greatly suffers.
6) Black box procedures and assets aren't optimal in their "sort of copy/paste implementation".
7) Gameworks is designed to be overly taxing without any justification. Not a single reason of justification.
8) Yes, you can turn off Gameworks, but there aren't any substitutes in their place that have an "equal" visual impact (See point 2).
9) Gameworks overly reduces performance on the intended target hardware (in this case, Nvidia GPU's, especially the GTX 700 series).
10) Gameworks convinces users to purchase the latest Nvidia hardware in an unethical and sabotaging way. Again, look at the GTX 700 users. They've suffered incredibly with bad performance.

My points are based on 6 years of programming experience. I've not directly mentioned AMD in any of my points. Point 3 goes for ALL GPU vendors, not just AMD.

Boycott every business and then they might change their ways to meet the customers demands instead of suiting their own agenda.
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