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It's you yourself who implicated the 1080p performance in your first comment. You're confusing two things there, that higher CPU overhead would automatically mean that 980 should perform lower than 390X and not that it should perform even better.
Yes, I implicated 1080p performance relative to the other resolutions (notably 4K) because that shows the most information. Comparing it to the other two resolutions shows both the shrinking gap I was talking about (which I couldn't have properly noticed if I only looked at 1080p performance figures) and it shows that Gameworks effects have a consistently higher hit on the 390X regardless of resolution. I never looked at only 1080p because that would tell me nothing about scaling and potential limitations.

I'm going to have to break out my calculator to demonstrate my point. The 390X is the baseline in all calculations (100%):

At 1080p:

The 980's lead over the 390X with Gameworks is +29.4%

Without GW, it's +21.4%

Discrepancy = +6.6% from w/o GW to with it.


At 1440p:

With GW = +19.6%

W/o GW = +13.6%

Discrepancy = +5.3%


At 4K:

With GW = +11.0%

W/o GW = +4.6%

Discrepancy = +6.1%



That discrepancy caused by Gameworks is fairly consistent no matter how much additional GPU demand is placed on both cards by the resolution. Therefore using the discrepancy at 1080p as grounds for arguing that the 980 has excess CPU overhead is faulty. There's no supporting data from these tests for it. As to your second point: considering the only thing that changes (390X positioning relative to the 980) in these charts across resolutions, any unexpected scaling issues seem inherent to the 390X; either with or without Gameworks. My whole point of showing the without Gameworks results, however, was to show something was up on AMD's end in this game regardless of what Gameworks does additionally.

Also, I thought it was the common consensus that 390Xs were pretty much about on par with 980s at 1440p without Gameworks these days. Therefore a significant performance deficit for either card is unusual and indeed implies an issue. Ignoring the lack of evidence for a 980 CPU overhead problem and all the info floating around out there proving AMD to be the company with actual overhead issues and not Nvidia, why would a 980 with more severe overhead still perform so much better than the 390X at 1440p?

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As I said, the direct evidence you see is not so fairly obvious. CPU overhead and front end bottlenecks have the same symptoms with easing at higher resolutions.

Such severe front-end limitations on an overclocked/aftermarket Hawaii (390X), even at 1440p, with a butt-ugly game like Fallout 4 sounds really unlikely to me, but sure it's a possibility. It's just that Fallout 4 has some horrendously low poly-counts as far as I can tell, Bethesda games have often had severe issues on the CPU side of things, and Hawaii's theoretical geometry throughput isn't usually considered an issue. They didn't test other cards than the 390X and 980 without Gameworks unfortunately (probably due to time constraints) so it's hard to get an idea, but I really don't see how the 390X could have a significant front-end problem with this game, of all games. CPU issues seem far more likely with Bethesda.

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980 does better than the Fury cards here all across to the 4k resolution.

With high levels of tessellation, yes. Of course we haven't seen without, but regardless of whether there's a front-end limitation or CPU overhead one (or both), I've got a bad feeling about how the card would hold up without Gameworks.
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How a stock 980 Ti is faster than a stock Titan X?

980Ti boosts higher
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The best part of all the Fallout post-release coverage is the fanboys posting screenshots and videos purporting to show that the graphics aren't as bad as predicted, when in fact they simply further the case that Bethesda are both greedy and completely inept. That dog looks like it belongs in Half Life 2.

The unfortunate thing is that Bethesda should be absolutely destroyed publicly for releasing this, but they'll make tons of money like they always do and in 5 years they'll release another incremental, same-engine piece of trash, received exactly like this one.

I definitely have renewed respect for Projekt Red though. That's about the only positive thing I can say about this whole situation.[/quote]

Renewed respect for the developer who lied to all of our faces? What I'm getting from this thread is that people would rather be lied to repeatedly and have pretty good graphics vs. being told the truth and having subpar graphics.

Not saying either way is correct but I'm definitely in the latter camp.
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I've noticed a trend with AMD lately and I don't know if AMD is really just slow out of the gate with its "game ready" drivers or if they're purposely delaying them with Gameworks titles, specifically as part of their anti-NV/Gameworks PR campaign.

I mean, in most cases, AMD's performance is able to reasonably catch up with GW titles anyway, sooner or later.
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It's a shame that SLI isn't working properly with the "game ready" driver Nvidia released for the game...
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It's a shame that SLI isn't working properly with the "game ready" driver Nvidia released for the game...

You may be able to use the Skyrim profile.
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You may be able to use the Skyrim profile.

The Fallout 3/NV profile kind of works.. but it doesn't at times and it creates some texturing issues.
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You may be able to use the Skyrim profile.
People have been using fallout profiles but Skyrim is closer to 4 than 4 is to NV or 3.
This post is based on speculation.
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People have been using fallout profiles but Skyrim is closer to 4 than 4 is to NV or 3.
This post is based on speculation.

Exactly why he may. I'm also curious about some the data files in the game if they are not translatable to Skyrim build.
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Exactly why he may. I'm also curious about some the data files in the game if they are not translatable to Skyrim build.
Let me get this turd installed and I'll tell you. smile.gif
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