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Wait, did people actually expect a Bugthesda game to be bug-free at launch?!
Yes, I was expecting that they would polish Fallout game and that it was announced finished weeks before release would mean it won't have ridiculous bugs like not able to hand in quests 60 hours into story...
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"No worse than Skyrim" should not be the standard to which a 2015 AAA release is held.

PS - Quote system is broken again. Woo!
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I know I'm beating a dead horse on this topic, but If people would stop pre-ordering, heck, even stop buying games period, until the dev gets the game to a proper working condition then guess what? This may actually stop happening. I want this game really bad, but I refuse to buy it out of principle until I know that it's in proper working order.
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"No worse than Skyrim" should not be the standard to which a 2015 AAA release is held.
 

I don't disagree.

 

However, what I care most in the end is - what can be fixed by mods, what can mods do, and just in general, how much will I enjoy the game? Being a Bethesda game fanboy, I will enjoy it more than most people. Some people will think the technical shortcomings make the game bad and not enjoyable.

 

Not a surprise that I care most about my own personal enjoyment of the game though.

 

 

The quote system has been working for me, so I dunno.

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It improves the mouse lag, it doesn't fix it at all. It's still way worse than other games

I have zero mouse lag.
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I don't disagree.

However, what I care most in the end is - what can be fixed by mods, what can mods do, and just in general, how much will I enjoy the game? Being a Bethesda game fanboy, I will enjoy it more than most people. Some people will think the technical shortcomings make the game bad and not enjoyable.

Not a surprise that I care most about my own personal enjoyment of the game though.


The quote system has been working for me, so I dunno.

I'm a huge fan of mods in general, but I really can't support Bethesda using them as a crutch for its broken games. Bethesda releases garbage and makes money for it on the expectation that fans will pour thousands of hours into fixing the thing, making it playable, making it balanced, making it fun, etc. That's a pretty darn scummy attitude.

I'm not saying modders shouldn't fix broken games. The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod and a few others really did make KOTOR 2 a better game, just as countless mods made Skyrim a better game. The difference is, were KOTOR 3 to be released, you can be sure it wouldn't release in as broken a state as KOTOR 2. They wouldn't get away with it and the argument "well just wait for mods" wouldn't be able to save it. With Bethesda games, not only does that argument somehow sly, but they don't even have to make the argument themselves - fans even do the PR work for them!

Course, Bethesda doesn't just leave it at that. They even tried a few times to charge people for fan made mods! Now... what? No... just no. At least gamers stood up to that one... so far.

PS - Working this time... *Shrug*
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I have zero mouse lag.

I've got plenty, even without VSync. Countless others do as well. I'm more willing to believe that you simply don't notice your mouse lag, rather than you somehow having a different game engine running your game than everyone else's.

After all, many people claim there is no input lag on their HDTVs, via HDMI, on a console, with a wireless controller, in a game locked to 30fps. People with low expectations are easy to please. Ask a CounterStrike player to look at the same setup and they'll laugh their butts off.
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No surprise. I'll wait for the game to go through alpha/beta stage before I buy it.
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I'm a huge fan of mods in general, but I really can't support Bethesda using them as a crutch for its broken games. Bethesda releases garbage and makes money for it on the expectation that fans will pour thousands of hours into fixing the thing, making it playable, making it balanced, making it fun, etc. That's a pretty darn scummy attitude.

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I've enjoyed the rest of the game so much, it overshadows everything you've just said.

 

I would also say that Skyrim (etc) are playable and enjoyable once the official patches are in. The big problem are the quests breaking glitches and in this case, that terminal stuck glitch. I would be very disappointed in Bethesda if they did not fix the terminal problem on their own. Yeah, it's understandable to say that it takes too long to fix such problems, but at least they get fixed. The large majority of what the Unofficial patches fix are things I would never notice. I've looked at their changelog after every update... that team can find a long list of glitches almost any game.

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Course, Bethesda doesn't just leave it at that. They even tried a few times to charge people for fan made mods!

A few times? I'm not sure what you're referencing. What I've written down says Valve went to Bethesda, Bethesda accepted and drew out the payout percentage, and this all happened once.


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Played the game last night for about 3-4 hours straight with no bugs, CTDs or stuttering. Butter smooth and I'm quite happy so far thumb.gif

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I've enjoyed the rest of the game so much, it overshadows everything you've just said.

I would also say that Skyrim (etc) are playable and enjoyable once the official patches are in. The big problem are the quests breaking glitches and in this case, that terminal stuck glitch. I would be very disappointed in Bethesda if they did not fix the terminal problem on their own. Yeah, it's understandable to say that it takes too long to fix such problems, but at least they get fixed. The large majority of what the Unofficial patches fix are things I would never notice.
A few times? I'm not sure what you're referencing. What I've written down says Valve went to Bethesda, Bethesda accepted and drew out the payout percentage.

Not being able to play Skyrim, today, 4 years post release, 5 DLCs (3 of which cost money) and a new title later without flying into the stratosphere unless I reduce my refresh rate to 60hz, install a handful of mods (in the right order), and saving every 10 min for fear of a crash, is kind of broken. These things are NEVER getting fixed, and are pretty important to many users. Just saying.

Now, switching to the paid mods topic:

Bethesda talked about it a few years ago, decided it would be too difficult to price, and shelved the idea.

Instead, they took a look at some of the most popular free mods at the time, and made paid DLCs based heavily on the work of their fans.

Steam then reintroduced the topic recently and Bethesda was 100% on board. Gamers said no, and Bethesda defended it. Steam pulled the plug, so Bethesda limped off with it's tail between its legs.

A few months ago, Bethesda stated they were going to revisit paid mods after FO4 releases (so, you know, now).
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