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http://gizmodo.com/us-scientists-demand-removal-of-restrictions-on-animal-1740805270
http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_29076320/human-animal-chimeras-stanford-scientists-condemn-funding-ban
http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_583484.asp
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A group of researchers have called for an overturn of a recent decision by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to suspend funding for research on human–animal chimeras. The NIH already withholds funding for research involving the creation of human–primate chimeras or breeding of animals where hPSCs could enter the germline. However, it announced in September 2015 it would start a process to review the science, ethical issues and animal-welfare concerns around the use of hPSCs to produce chimeras and abruptly stopped considering funding applications for such research.

'We believe that this notice poses a threat to progress in stem cell biology, developmental biology, and regenerative medicine,'they write.

One ethical concern is that animal brains could contain human cells, raising the possibility that 'this will somehow give the animal a human consciousness', said Professor Hank Greely, a bioethicist at Stanford.

Yes, you're reading that correctly.

It's 2015 and people STILL have a problem with advancing stem cell research. doh.gif
Edited by frickfrock999 - 11/10/15 at 7:00am
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Hey! wanna experiment on my dog? She has no consciousness, but certainly needs some.
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I think we should focus on virtual experiments in this particular field.

We need to shift focus back to educating our children, starting with growing a sense of security. Our government needs to stop lining the pockets of rich people with money that belongs in the middle class. No more lobbying (legal bribery via corporate election funding.) No more international slave labor goods trading. Improve the quality of life in the United States and we'll see people investing in themselves again.
Education will follow suit, new energy and computing solutions will emerge more quickly and soon enough we'll be able to do some proper virtual experiments to get around these obvious moral issues.

I'm as excited as the next guy about this, but we can't go doing it before we're absolutely sure what it is that we're doing.

Fix the real problems.
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Human-animal chimera is what I want to specialize in. frown.gif

I always thought people would look better with tails, and that a cat with the intelligence of a 5 year old would make a much better pet.
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But the pulse was 6 years ago guys. They have already escaped and are walking among us.
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animal brains could contain human cells, raising doh.gif

Thous cells would not be any more or any less human then chimp cells for example as we share 96% of our genetic make up with chimps. Does that mean chimp brains are 96% human? No of course not its 100% chimp. I understand that there are ethical concerns but that one is stupid. Could genetic hybrids end up having an consciousness? I suppose. Will an pig with a few extra human genes start talking? Ain't gonna happen.
    
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IDK, I think the research should be banned for a little while longer. When we start crossing human and animal cells and growths there is just a bit too much risk right now for viral mutation to occur where animal viral strains could begin to infect humans. That could turn into major problems. Until we understand medical science a bit more I don't think it is wise to temp these sorts of mutations. They occur enough as it is. I realize that the medical advances that could stop such scenarios could be found in that very same research, but I just think it is wiser to have a better understanding of the sciences before we go into such things.

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Could genetic hybrids end up having an consciousness? I suppose. Will an pig with a few extra human genes start talking? Ain't gonna happen.

Awww Pigly.... tongue.gif
Edited by EniGma1987 - 11/10/15 at 9:00am
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animal brains will human cells? bring it ON!

I'd give a kidney to see khajiit walking around on earth within my lifetime biggrin.gif
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IDK, I think the research should be banned for a little while longer. When we start crossing human and animal cells and growths there is just a bit too much risk right now for viral mutation to occur where animal viral strains could begin to infect humans. That could turn into major problems. Until we understand medical science a bit more I don't think it is wise to temp these sorts of mutations. They occur enough as it is. I realize that the medical advances that could stop such scenarios could be found in that very same research, but I just think it is wiser to have a better understanding of the sciences before we go into such things.
Awww Pigly.... tongue.gif


It's not like you'd suddenly have monkey cells being spliced into a human directly. It'd be more along the lines of you still having human cells, but now with additional instructions allowing them to create new structures, like an expansion pack for a game kinda. So no, chimeral research won't introduce new diseases to humans.
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It's not like you'd suddenly have monkey cells being spliced into a human directly. It'd be more along the lines of you still having human cells, but now with additional instructions allowing them to create new structures, like an expansion pack for a game kinda. So no, chimeral research won't introduce new diseases to humans.

As I understood his concern is, you won’t introduce new diseases directly but you do potentially create a good environment for diseases to mutate and become human compatible.
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