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Yes, you're reading that correctly.

It's 2015 and people STILL have a problem with advancing stem cell research. doh.gif

Okay, that's more than a little bit disingenuous. The opposition to stem cell research in the past has absolutely nothing at all to do with this, nor does this really have anything to do with stem cell research as we have historically understood it.

Using human stem cells to fight human diseases is one thing. Using DNA from humans and another different species to create one organism is entirely different.

I am a huge proponent of scientific research, including stem cell research. But you absolutely cannot lump this in with prior work.
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I agree they should allow research. But it isn't a one-sided debate by any means. However, worrying about animals gaining human consciousness is a stupid argument.


True, as much as I'd like to see trans-genic humans and talking cat animal pals in my lifetime, this kinda stuff is still in its infancy and won't have anything real world applicable for maybe another 100 years*!

*Numbers coming from my butt.
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There's a difference between eating a ripe apple that falls off a tree and murdering a cow. Nice try buddy but theres lots to eat that nature gives up freely.

Id just love to see humanity huddled around trees waiting for a piece of fruit to fall. There would be epic fights for each piece since the world would be starving to death.
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You do realize that the only
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Id just love to see humanity huddled around trees waiting for a piece of fruit to fall. There would be epic fights for each piece since the world would be starving to death.

Do you not realize just how inefficient all forms of meat are to produce? The amount of energy and feed (usually corn) that it takes to feed a cow could feed entire families. You just don't notice this at the supermarket since the government subsidizes certain foods (corn, beef) and not others.

If we were all vegan the world would be much better off, not even consider the 60 billion animals we would not have to kill each year.
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Originally Posted by Zen00 View Post

True, as much as I'd like to see trans-genic humans and talking cat animal pals in my lifetime, this kinda stuff is still in its infancy and won't have anything real world applicable for maybe another 100 years*!

*Numbers coming from my butt.

By that time Skynet will have destroyed the world.

So might as well experiment as much as we want.

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You do realize that the only
Do you not realize just how inefficient all forms of meat are to produce? The amount of energy and feed (usually corn) that it takes to feed a cow could feed entire families. You just don't notice this at the supermarket since the government subsidizes certain foods (corn, beef) and not others.

If we were all vegan the world would be much better off, not even consider the 60 billion animals we would not have to kill each year.

Go Hug a damn tree. Don't talk about stupid crap like that here.

Eating meat is natural, and damn good. I would eat nothing less. Meat is something everybody should eat, every single day! Not only is it good for you, but the taste is so good.....

While Corn is also good (mexican corn FTW), it also does nothing for you. And is nothing more than a human made crop, as corn can not gown in the wild. And Corn as we know it today is completely mans doing. And Most of the world is eating fine. We don't need to baby the nations that refuse to evolve on their own doing.
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There's a difference between eating a ripe apple that falls off a tree and murdering a cow. Nice try buddy but theres lots to eat that nature gives up freely.

The cultivars we grow and the domesticated animals we slaughter are all man made...most of these species have seen thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years of deliberate human selection to mold them to human needs.

Nature doesn't give up much freely, not in most places, and humanity would destroy Earth's ecosystem, as well as themselves, even more rapidly if 7.5 billion people all tried to return to hunter-gather means of subsistence.
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You do realize that the only
Do you not realize just how inefficient all forms of meat are to produce? The amount of energy and feed (usually corn) that it takes to feed a cow could feed entire families. You just don't notice this at the supermarket since the government subsidizes certain foods (corn, beef) and not others.

If we were all vegan the world would be much better off, not even consider the 60 billion animals we would not have to kill each year.

Meat based diets are certainly less sustainable, but that's not going to stop people. People want what they want, and unless the immediate cost is too high, they will have it. The haves (myself, and most people here, included) do not really care about the have-nots, especially if elevating the latter is inconvenient to them.
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The cultivars we grow and the domesticated animals we slaughter are all man made...most of these species have seen thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years of deliberate human selection to mold them to human needs.

Nature doesn't give up much freely, not in most places, and humanity would destroy Earth's ecosystem, as well as themselves, even more rapidly if 7.5 billion people all tried to return to hunter-gather means of subsistence.
Meat based diets are certainly less sustainable, but that's not going to stop people. People want what they want, and unless the immediate cost is too high, they will have it. The haves (myself, and most people here, included) do not really care about the have-nots, especially if elevating the latter is inconvenient to them.

My initial point was about animals having the ability to communicate the thoughts of the consciousness that I already feel they posses and the implications it would have. This isn't the place to debate veganism/non-veganism/vegetarianism. If you want to do so I can make a new thread in the proper forum and we can start fresh there.
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Anyone think of Full Metal Alchemist?

+1

First thought was "Big-brother?"
     
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Chimeras are fine, it's immortality that's scary, and it's perfectly legal to research that
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You make it out to be a simple problem with a simple solution. However, you are forgetting that this ethical concern is very very complex. Offering a simple solution for a complex problem is always going to be wrong.
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