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If you have money to waste. Build an Intel 5930K or something similar. As it has been said you can build an entire 8320 based rig for the price of one of those Intel I7's. If you don't like well to bad. Cause that's the fact.

If you are building on a budget. Build an 8320 based system. Overclocked the 83xx series processors are able to trade blows with the 4770's and 4790s out there even though the Vishera based FX processors are already three years old. A well tuned FX 83xx around the 4.8-5.0 mark will give a 4.2-4.4 ghz I7 a tough time in a lot of cases. That's nothing to be scoffed at. The money you save on the processor can go to where it really counts most and that's to a bigger video card.

Honestly I'm of the opinion of saving a buck or two when I can. So originally built my rig on a 990fx mobo and an old Athlon 645 processor. Then i upgraded to FX when I had the cash. It's been a brilliant processor. And I have never regretted not going to Intel.


not at all, i dont want to use a 6 core (12 core) or a 8 core (16 core) rig with intel, im too happy with my dual core amd cpu, later i will upgrade it (build a new rig) amd 8core and i will be ok

what i learned is an 8core amd cpu OC'ed can beat the intel i5, cant beat the i7 BUT it is better to buy an 8core amd cpu than wasting 1200euro dollars for an 12core or 16core cpu
(with that money money i can build an 8core amd OC and have 128gb ram memory etc... i crazy video card msi and the rig it will be like hulk hogan)


BUT...there is something that i havent understand...


all the intel cpu have hyper threading? i mean intel hasnt any 4core cpu so it can be compared with an 4core amd cpu OR the 4core cpu from intel they have hyper threading and they become 8core so the simple 4core amd cpu cant beat them...
most of Intels i5's and all of the l7 CPU's are quad cores. They have four physical cores in the CPU die. The only difference is I7's have the ability to run two threads on single core. The windows OS environment sees this thread as a "logical" core. But it is not a physical core.

As for AMD's Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and excavator based SKU's use a different design. They use a modular design where two integer cores and a single FPU in a module. However the FPU can divide itself into two 128 bit units when the module needs to run in two core mode or when the application calls for more FPU threads to be active.
Edited by Alastair - 11/12/15 at 3:48am
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just some thing to add. extra pci lanes etc on the x99 chipse with right cpu ie 5960x
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most of Intels i5's and all of the l7 CPU's are quad cores. They have four physical cores in the CPU die. The only difference is I7's have the ability to run two threads on single core. The windows OS environment sees this thread as a "logical" core. But it is not a physical core.

As for AMD's Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and excavator based SKU's use a different design. They use a modular design where two integer cores and a single FPU in a module. However the FPU can divide itself into two 128 bit units when the module needs to run in two core mode or when the application calls for more FPU threads to be active.
not all i7's are quads
Even as far back as i7 980x/990x are hexacores with 12 threads. There are plenty more 6 core chip i7's since then too.Then the i7 5960x is an 8 core/16 thread part.
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most of Intels i5's and all of the l7 CPU's are quad cores. They have four physical cores in the CPU die. The only difference is I7's have the ability to run two threads on single core. The windows OS environment sees this thread as a "logical" core. But it is not a physical core.

As for AMD's Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and excavator based SKU's use a different design. They use a modular design where two integer cores and a single FPU in a module. However the FPU can divide itself into two 128 bit units when the module needs to run in two core mode or when the application calls for more FPU threads to be active.


alright, correct me if i am wrong:

amd:
we have plain 4core amd cpu (no lets say hyper thread)
we have 4core cpus that have 4 more
we have 8 core cpu

intel:
we have 4 core cpu simlpe edition
we have 4 core cpu with hyper threading that become 8 core
we have 6 core cpu simple
we have 6 core cpu with hyper threading become 12core cpu
we have 8 core cpu simple edition
we have 8 core cpu with hyper threading become 12core cpu


amd 8core can beat intel's 4core with hyper threading BUT it needs OC

and

dont waste money to buy a 1200 cpu intel 16 core

just build a really wild rig with an 8core amd cpu with OC and lots o ram


and

amd cant beat intel's i7 but it can beat i5
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most of Intels i5's and all of the l7 CPU's are quad cores. They have four physical cores in the CPU die. The only difference is I7's have the ability to run two threads on single core. The windows OS environment sees this thread as a "logical" core. But it is not a physical core.

As for AMD's Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and excavator based SKU's use a different design. They use a modular design where two integer cores and a single FPU in a module. However the FPU can divide itself into two 128 bit units when the module needs to run in two core mode or when the application calls for more FPU threads to be active.
not all i7's are quads
Even as far back as i7 980x/990x are hexacores with 12 threads. There are plenty more 6 core chip i7's since then too.Then the i7 5960x is an 8 core/16 thread part.
What I meant to say was mainstream 1156, 1155, and 1150 and now even 1151 I7's are quads. And that also highlights the other issue I have with Intel. The difference in the number of pins needed for the CPU socket is 6 over 5 generations of Intel CPU. Forcing us to buy into new mobo's everytime? No thank you.
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most of Intels i5's and all of the l7 CPU's are quad cores. They have four physical cores in the CPU die. The only difference is I7's have the ability to run two threads on single core. The windows OS environment sees this thread as a "logical" core. But it is not a physical core.

As for AMD's Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller and excavator based SKU's use a different design. They use a modular design where two integer cores and a single FPU in a module. However the FPU can divide itself into two 128 bit units when the module needs to run in two core mode or when the application calls for more FPU threads to be active.


I corrected you.

AMD:
We have 1 module, 2 core, 2 thread CPU (Think entry level A4's and A6's and Athlon based processors.)
We have 2 module, 4 core, 4 thread CPU (FX-4100, FX-4300, A6's A8's and A10's and higher end Athlon K's)
We have 3 module, 6 core, 6 thread CPU (FX-6100, FX-6300, FX-6350)
We have 4 module, 8 core, 8 thread CPU (FX-8120, FX-8150, FX-8300, FX-8320/E, FX-8350, FX-8370/E, FX9370 and FX9590)

Amd does not use any form of Hyper Threading or any other kind of SMT based design as far as I am aware.


intel:
We have 1 core and 1 thread (Celeron)
We have 2 cores and 2 threads (Pentium)
We have 2 cores and 4 threads (Core i3 and i5)
We have 4 cores and 4 threads (Core i5 4670K)
We have 4 cores and 8 threads (Core i7 4770K)
We have 6 cores and 12 threads (Core i7 5930K)
We have 8 cores and 16 threads (Core i7 5960X)


In conclusion. AMD FX 8 cores can compete with the i5's in most cases most of the time and are therefore priced accordingly. Can overtake them in some cases when overclocked. But single thread performance is still a little low. The FX can close the gap to a quad core i7 if overclocked and also TUNED properly. Once again single thread performance is lacking. However 8 core/8 thread FX's can't really hold a candle to the 6core/12thread and bigger I7s.
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dont waste money to buy a 1200 cpu intel 16 core

just build a really wild rig with an 8core amd cpu with OC and lots o ram

and

amd cant beat intel's i7 but it can beat i5

This also depends, As stated before, if you are building a workstation and you know you are going to earn money from it, then your best bet is to go with a fast PC, this will allow you to finish your job faster and gain money quickly, so spending 1200 dollars on some 12 / 16 / 20 / 24 cores and more doesn't seem that high.

and if you whole intention is to play games, as was stated before rolleyes.gif you can go with AMD and save some money. You can also OC your CPU and gain extra performance but if you need to make sure it's 100% stable if you are going to earn money with it (using it as a workstation).

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In conclusion. AMD FX 8 cores can compete with the i5's in most cases most of the time and are therefore priced accordingly. Can overtake them in some cases when overclocked. But single thread performance is still a little low. The FX can close the gap to a quad core i7 if overclocked and also TUNED properly. Once again single thread performance is lacking. However 8 core/8 thread FX's can't really hold a candle to the 6core/12thread and bigger I7s.

This ^

That's why I said that pretty much the competition for the AMD FX 8 cores are i7 4770 and 4770k which is quad core cpu, because there are even 8 cores i7 at the moment.
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What I meant to say was mainstream 1156, 1155, and 1150 and now even 1151 I7's are quads. And that also highlights the other issue I have with Intel. The difference in the number of pins needed for the CPU socket is 6 over 5 generations of Intel CPU. Forcing us to buy into new mobo's everytime? No thank you.

So your happy to upgrade to a new cpu but keep the older motherboard without the new features? Ie native usb3.0, M2 slots, DDR4 RAM, PCIE 3.0 etc etc
I know some AMD bords have some of these features but your saying you dont want to upgrade motherboard all the time.
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By the way, the 8370 is not a true octa-core like the 5960x.
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What I meant to say was mainstream 1156, 1155, and 1150 and now even 1151 I7's are quads. And that also highlights the other issue I have with Intel. The difference in the number of pins needed for the CPU socket is 6 over 5 generations of Intel CPU. Forcing us to buy into new mobo's everytime? No thank you.

So your happy to upgrade to a new cpu but keep the older motherboard without the new features? Ie native usb3.0, M2 slots, DDR4 RAM, PCIE 3.0 etc etc
I know some AMD bords have some of these features but your saying you dont want to upgrade motherboard all the time.
that's exactly what it am saying. Why do I want features I won't use 99% of the time yet have to pay a price premium for? I still to this day actually do not use USB 3.0 to its full potential. DDR4 has only just come out and doesn't really justify itself over DDR3 yet. I don't use M.2 drives and probably won't for a long time as my 850 Pro is plenty fast for me and I ddon't plan on changing it for as long as the drive is functioning. And also as most of us know PCI-E 2.0 still isn't saturated yet. So 3.0 makes little difference. So YES IF I had a CPU that supports both DDR3 and 4 and didn't force me to buy into a new board then yes! I would upgrade cpu and stick to my old motherboard. I did this more times than I can count during the LGA775 era and I know many are wishing for those days to return.
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