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The upgrade uninstalled CPU-Z, but I reinstalled 1.74 64-bit, and in spite of what they said about compatibility it apparently runs fine. (?)

it was probably uninstalled to be on the safe side, there have been problems with cpuz and new versions of windows in the past.
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See explanation below from me.....
Correct, however I was giving an example.. so What actually is going on,

Is that Microsoft is no longer going into the windows folder and applying the updates.. They are taking the updated windows folder and replacing what you had completely. Cause this is the service that they are offering and they can do it..

Side effects: Any big patch that you would think is a service back will end up with a windows.old because microsoft is copying the windows folder renaming it, and replacing it with the updated folder from them (yes it is that simple)

SO

Just because it was a fresh install the patch itself is not This means the only way to have applied the patch and not had the windows.old folder would be to have Installed the most recent build. which is pointless and redundant as this is what Microsoft is doing just leaving the old windows folder there (just in case you want to restore a portion from it)

If you had a custom configuration then what you could do is actually restore the specific files from the windows.old into the new windows folder and that will resolve it that issue. The Patches are now installing now in the same manner as if you installed a version of windows over another version of windows in the past. Clean install or not with the big patches (service packs) you will see this occur. This is how Microsoft is doing service packs now as Windows 10 is a service.

Think of Mac OS and how you update each version up on the same OS and don't have to really change anything, This is the way Microsoft is going now. Only difference is that Microsoft is leaving the old configuration there just in case you need to exploit a custom configuration. Allowing the OS to still be open and yet forcibly keeping everyone updated.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
I just never thought MS would be doing things this way. Now there's a 11GB 'old' folder, just taking up space. +rep for your explanation though.
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Seems the best way to install a new build is by the classic format clean install. This is not convenient but it's the only safe and clean method. Which means I have to format and re-install every time MS outs a new W10 build sigh. I thought they resolved this problem but seems not. It's the same when I updated from Windows 8 to 8.1.
Edited by Anarion - 11/18/15 at 3:35am
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On a random note: For anyone using the latest version of DDU (gpu driver uninstaller), there's a window which pops-up while in Safe Mode saying he disabled Windows auto driver install. Probably a key in the registry?

I found this on the Win10 foums:


Mine is set to 0.
    
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Originally Posted by F3ERS 2 ASH3S View Post

See explanation below from me.....
Correct, however I was giving an example.. so What actually is going on,

Is that Microsoft is no longer going into the windows folder and applying the updates.. They are taking the updated windows folder and replacing what you had completely. Cause this is the service that they are offering and they can do it..

Side effects: Any big patch that you would think is a service back will end up with a windows.old because microsoft is copying the windows folder renaming it, and replacing it with the updated folder from them (yes it is that simple)

SO

Just because it was a fresh install the patch itself is not This means the only way to have applied the patch and not had the windows.old folder would be to have Installed the most recent build. which is pointless and redundant as this is what Microsoft is doing just leaving the old windows folder there (just in case you want to restore a portion from it)

If you had a custom configuration then what you could do is actually restore the specific files from the windows.old into the new windows folder and that will resolve it that issue. The Patches are now installing now in the same manner as if you installed a version of windows over another version of windows in the past. Clean install or not with the big patches (service packs) you will see this occur. This is how Microsoft is doing service packs now as Windows 10 is a service.

Think of Mac OS and how you update each version up on the same OS and don't have to really change anything, This is the way Microsoft is going now. Only difference is that Microsoft is leaving the old configuration there just in case you need to exploit a custom configuration. Allowing the OS to still be open and yet forcibly keeping everyone updated.

I don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
I just never thought MS would be doing things this way. Now there's a 11GB 'old' folder, just taking up space. +rep for your explanation though.

You are welcome.
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Seems the best way to install a new build is by the classic format clean install. This is not convenient but it's the only safe and clean method. Which means I have to format and re-install every time MS outs a new W10 build sigh. I thought they resolved this problem but seems not. It's the same when I updated from Windows 8 to 8.1.

Not true, actually MS did make it a very clean installation of the update, only thing is that they GIVE you the option to pull pieces or the entire old version back. So actually this is a lot cleaner of a way to satisfy everyone that just one way or the other which would both have hate camps waiting with pitchforks

Just means that all you need to do is run disk cleanup and click on clean up system files (has the admin shield) as it requires elevated privileges, and then you will see the option to clean up the windows.old folder and a few other things that happen to get messy over time.

MS bright life back into disk cleanup as it was a dying product but they made it more useful. I enjoy the new version honestly.
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I was hopping this update would fix the 10 min restart/shutdown which I haven't figure out what is causing it.
I too have the shutdown problem too sometimes. Don't know why either. Brand new laptop. The patch installed fine, however my bluetooth settings were reset back to default. mad.gif
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To remove Windows.old simply go to your C: drive and run Disk Cleanup. There select Cleanup System files and a new list will come up. Mine was ~ 20GB.
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