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Its the hate-wagon that began rolling the moment this game was announced... and people wonder why studios don't want to touch big franchises like this, or make sequels to great games.

Not that long ago I was the Conductor of the EA Hate Express. If I can come around, at least on some things, surely others can.
    
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Yet another can be, by any recently set "standards", a massive success, but get crapped on. What is that?

Because it has the EA logo on the product. Doesn't matter how they good they do things now.

Was such a waste spending $30 on BF4+Premium compared to the $15 I spent on Rising Storm ( that included Red Orchestra 2 as well for free). It's good that this game runs well on many different configurations a PC can offer, but sadly it had to be EA to offer such tidings. A company I have no reason to support anymore, as do a few others. If others can enjoy it good for them. I'm not one of those.
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The problem is the performance differences between them is plenty enough to justify its value (overclock vs overclock). You say I'm wrong about clockspeeds on the 780, yet you didn't even bother to look at the other benchmarks I posted showing Big Kepler keeping up with Maxwell when overclocked:



You wouldn't be having this argument with me right now if it was about a 280X being as fast a 970, because obviously that would be ridiculous. Look at the above chart, see what an overclocked 780 and 780 Ti can do. Clearly you can see they have very similar performance with Maxwell after overclocked.

Nobody is really NVIDIA biased, I could easily argue the same about GameGPU being AMD biased for how many times in early benchmarks they show a 780 and 280X neck and neck (or even in some cases the 280x faster) but then you go look at a different source for the same game and see the 280X like 5-10 fps behind a 780. The point being, I take all benchmarks with a grain a salt and never rely on one single source to form a conclusion. Which is what most people should be doing. Instead of looking at one source for benchmarks, and then suddenly thinking that these results are absolute. When you can go look at 3-4 other results and see variance. Which means your results may vary, and you are better off testing the game for yourself before forming a conclusion.

Yes you were wrong, but you were so confident in your response. That you didn't even take the time yourself to go to the PCLab benchmarks that I posted, translate the source, and read exactly whether or not what you are saying is correct. Which is my exact reasoning for trying to show you that clockspeeds matter, with specifically posting the above benchmarks. That's why I don't always trust what other people say on a forum, before I conduct my own research.

The problem is, if you actually owned a 780 and overclocked it yourself you would quickly discover that the results you see in benchmarks are no where near as accurate as they would make some people think. When I look at benchmarks now, I don't even care if they test a 780, because I just look at a 970's results and usually 9 times out of 10 it is pretty close to the results I get myself.

These are also all overclock vs overclock results:









This is with their 780 @ 1250 MHz Core and the 970 @ 1460MHz Core

Nobody is saying overclocking is not going to change things but the base performance has dropped compare to other cards base performance. Linus has a very amazing GTX780 OC while 1460MHz for GTX970 is below average. Also their 290/290X would not OC at all lol.
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You know... the 290x is as strong as the 780 Ti and the 970 ( +-10% on certain titles), but on all screenshots, the 780Ti was almost as strong as the 980. I do not believe this in any way.

Problem is with their 290X and 290 they simply didn't have great cards to begin with. This was also way before the improved driver optimizations from AMD so it looks even worse. But trust me, these benchmarks are pretty accurate. Now with Maxwell's driver improvements, it might show a 970 and 980 performing quite a bit better with overclock vs overclock results but still having Big Kepler hanging right there with them.
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Nobody is saying overclocking is not going to change things but the base performance has dropped compare to other cards base performance. Linus has a very amazing GTX780 OC while 1460MHz for GTX970 is below average. Also their 290/290X would not OC at all lol.

Big Kepler was clocked conservatively low with reference designs. Stock clocks of Kepler never was and never should be an indication of how they performed. Also, let's not forget that the majority of people who bought a 780 or 780 Ti went with a non-reference version which was typically overclocked quite high. So running a stock referenced cooled 780 in 2015 against modern cards like Maxwell that boost in the 1200's with reference cards, and with non-reference cards boosting into the 1350MHz range is a unfair test to begin with. Not apples to apples at all. Average overclock for a 780 and 780 Ti is like 1200MHz quite a difference from it's average boost clock speed of about 960MHz. 25% difference to be exact. While 1250+ MHz is above average, 1200MHz is really not and will quickly show how well Big Kepler performs. When compared to Maxwell, it can achieve similar performance at much lower clocks. Whereas with Maxwell you need to have a golden sample in overclock vs overclock results to begin to pull away (or stock vs stock). Average overclock for a GTX 970 is like 1500-1530MHz. People must have forgotten about all the voltage unlocking tools and bios flashes available for Big Kepler, which, unlike Maxwell scaled great with voltage. I'm not really looking at the 290/290X for this comparison, as stated above this was before AMD's driver optimizations for the cards and also they didn't have good samples. I was more interested in posting these benchmarks to show how great a 780 and 780 Ti scale with overclocks when compared to Maxwell. Which will quickly show you how performance is no where near a 280X.
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Problem is with their 290X and 290 they simply didn't have great cards to begin with. This was also way before the improved driver optimizations from AMD so it looks even worse. But trust me, these benchmarks are pretty accurate. Now with Maxwell's driver improvements, it might show a 970 and 980 performing quite a bit better with overclock vs overclock results but still having Big Kepler hanging right there with them.
Big Kepler was clocked conservatively low with reference designs. Stock clocks of Kepler never was and never should be an indication of how they performed. Also, let's not forget that the majority of people who bought a 780 or 780 Ti went with a non-reference version which was typically overclocked quite high. So running a stock referenced cooled 780 in 2015 against modern cards like Maxwell that boost in the 1200's with reference cards, and with non-reference cards boosting into the 1350MHz range is a unfair test to begin with. Not apples to apples at all. Average overclock for a 780 and 780 Ti is like 1200MHz quite a difference from it's average boost clock speed of about 960MHz. 25% difference to be exact. While 1250+ MHz is above average, 1200MHz is really not and will quickly show how well Big Kepler performs. When compared to Maxwell, it can achieve similar performance at much lower clocks. Whereas with Maxwell you need to have a golden sample in overclock vs overclock results to begin to pull away (or stock vs stock). Average overclock for a GTX 970 is like 1500-1530MHz. People must have forgotten about all the voltage unlocking tools and bios flashes available for Big Kepler, which, unlike Maxwell scaled great with voltage. I'm not really looking at the 290/290X for this comparison, as stated above this was before AMD's driver optimizations for the cards and also they didn't have good samples. I was more interested in posting these benchmarks to show how great a 780 and 780 Ti scale with overclocks when compared to Maxwell. Which will quickly show you how performance is no where near a 280X.

You where comparing GTX780 to GTX970. You are right. It's not entirely about how well GTX780 scales but instead GTX780 had more OC room. Most if not all GTX970 where non reference coming with 13XXMHz Boost clocks out of the box. 15XXMHz OC would be like 200MHz which is less then 15% while got GTX780 going to 1200MHz you get much larger % OC. People just associate 15XXMHz are better overclocker in general.
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The problem is the performance differences between them is plenty enough to justify its value (overclock vs overclock). You say I'm wrong about clockspeeds on the 780, yet you didn't even bother to look at the other benchmarks I posted showing Big Kepler keeping up with Maxwell when overclocked:

Overclock vs. overclock is after the fact. And you're wrong about clockspeeds that the 780 hits.

And the benchmark you linked here are with catalyst 14.8, more than a year before. Right now in TPU's latest review, the 280X whoops the 770 by around 20%-25% putting it close to the 780. Without crimson, let's see what happens next.
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You wouldn't be having this argument with me right now if it was about a 280X being as fast a 970, because obviously that would be ridiculous. Look at the above chart, see what an overclocked 780 and 780 Ti can do. Clearly you can see they have very similar performance with Maxwell after overclocked.

It'd be ridiculous because the difference between 280X and 970 is three times and the 970 launched at 300$ less than 780.
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Nobody is really NVIDIA biased,

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I could easily argue the same about GameGPU being AMD biased for how many times in early benchmarks they show a 780 and 280X neck and neck (or even in some cases the 280x faster) but then you go look at a different source for the same game and see the 280X like 5-10 fps behind a 780. The point being, I take all benchmarks with a grain a salt and never rely on one single source to form a conclusion. Which is what most people should be doing. Instead of looking at one source for benchmarks, and then suddenly thinking that these results are absolute. When you can go look at 3-4 other results and see variance. Which means your results may vary, and you are better off testing the game for yourself before forming a conclusion.

When PClab have AMD behind despite AMD being on par or even better in other reviews for just about every review, it's a red flag. And you were relying on PCLab despite being shown that the other sites in your OP itself don't show the same. Oh and here come the techspot results
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Yes you were wrong, but you were so confident in your response. That you didn't even take the time yourself to go to the PCLab benchmarks that I posted, translate the source, and read exactly whether or not what you are saying is correct. Which is my exact reasoning for trying to show you that clockspeeds matter, with specifically posting the above benchmarks. That's why I don't always trust what other people say on a forum, before I conduct my own research.

I did that but as I said before it wasn't on their test setup/methodology page. Secondly, unlike gamegpu they didn't seem to have becnhmarked the beta, so I was inclined to believe that they used the multiplayer.. At least before putting so much confidence in your assertions.
    
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You where comparing GTX780 to GTX970. You are right. It's not entirely about how well GTX780 scales but instead GTX780 had more OC room. Most if not all GTX970 where non reference coming with 13XXMHz Boost clocks out of the box. 15XXMHz OC would be like 200MHz which is less then 15% while got GTX780 going to 1200MHz you get much larger % OC. People just associate 15XXMHz are better overclocker in general.

Yes I was only comparing the overclocked 780 to an overclocked 970, to previously show that clockspeeds of the 780 or any Big Kepler card are inherently important. It is relative information, when trying to portray the idea that benchmarks showing a 280X right by a 780 should not be taken seriously. When even TPU has a 280X 13% behind a 780 @ Stock Clocks:



You are right that Kepler had more overclocking headroom, because even a 970 that boosts to 1350MHz out of the box that can overclock to 1600MHz is only a 18.5% increase. So it is just the illusion that Maxwell overclocks better since it hits much higher clocks than Kepler could ever dream of.

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Overclock vs. overclock is after the fact. And you're wrong about clockspeeds that the 780 hits.

And the benchmark you linked here are with catalyst 14.8, more than a year before. Right now in TPU's latest review, the 280X whoops the 770 by around 20%-25% putting it close to the 780. Without crimson, let's see what happens next.
It'd be ridiculous because the difference between 280X and 970 is three times and the 970 launched at 300$ less than 780.
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When PClab have AMD behind despite AMD being on par or even better in other reviews for just about every review, it's a red flag. And you were relying on PCLab despite being shown that the other sites in your OP itself don't show the same. Oh and here come the techspot results
I did that but as I said before it wasn't on their test setup/methodology page. Secondly, unlike gamegpu they didn't seem to have becnhmarked the beta, so I was inclined to believe that they used the multiplayer.. At least before putting so much confidence in your assertions.

No it's not after the fact, because most people bought non-reference cards that boosted into the 1100's anyway (with those same non-reference cards overclocking close to the 1300's):




I'm not wrong about the clockspeeds a 780 hits, I own one. While you with your Radeon 4850 from 7 years ago, has no personal experience with what a GTX 780 can boost to at stock settings.

Yes, if you actually read what I wrote you would see that I stated many of these benchmarks are before AMD's late to the party driver optimizations. Let's not exaggerate 20-25% it is closer to 16% as you can see here with TPUs latest review:



and also a 280X is still 13% behind a stock clocked reference 780 (must be NVIDIA biased).

It would be ridiculous because an overclocked 780 performs on par with a 970, therefore any conclusions formed around the basis that a 280X is as fast as a 780 is preposterous. Also, while the 780 launched @ $650. It soon dropped to $500 and then again to $400. Which is the price I payed for my 780. Four months ago you could have gotten an EVGA GTX 780 Classified for $210. A card almost guaranteed to do 1250MHz.

Yes Linus is so NVIDIA biased, even after he was one of the few reviewers who praised the Nano when almost every other review site was like, "but why?" rolleyes.gif

PCLab is the only reviewer currently to my knowledge that benchmarks a non-reference 780. Which is why I trust them more than the rest of the reviews on a 780. If you read earlier on in the thread I stated that NVIDIA doesn't want non-reference 780's and 780 Ti's pitted up against Maxwell, because it would quickly show people that Maxwell is not nearly as good as reviewers might make it seem. Because as stated again, clockspeeds are very important when trying to compare Big Kepler cards. When they are at stock clocks, their performance is hindered. When you overclock them to a modest 1200MHz, it's like an entirely different card (even non-reference cards @ 1100MHz is a big difference). You also must realize with different reviewers, that they are all using different test setups, with different base components, with different Windows installs, in different rooms, with different ambient temperatures, in different test benches or case setups. It's not a red flag, just a variety of variables come into play when benchmarking. Perfect example is Tech Spot has their 780 Ti @ 71fps with the 970 @ 84fps @ 1080p, while Guru3D has the 780 Ti @ 78 fps with the 970 @ 76 fps @ 1080p. Quite a big difference here.

Point being overall, about your multiplayer benchmarking mistake, is you shouldn't be so quick to reject what someone is saying without doing your own research. You are so quick to call out, "NVIDIA Biased" or "Excuses" yet you barely even look at the information presented to you beforehand. Seems you are hellbent on proving that a 280X is close in performance to a 780 and the 780 is not a good value. When I'm attempting you show you that, this is not the case, for both non-reference 780's as well as overclocked 780's. They are night and day from reference cards.
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Man guys good starwars battlefront talk.....
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Just grabbed a copy of this from the Origin sale.

Runs great on the SLI 780Ti's (5880x1080 surround).

Only problem is the SLI profile was buggy horizontal flickering on the screen constantly, moving from the top down.
Deleted the SLI profile with nvidia inspector and it plays fine.

Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to correct the proper SLI profile for this game instead of using the default profile?

On a site note from benchmarks; anyone having trouble finding an online game for this? Seems like there are no servers or no one playing in the Asia Pacific region, literally can't find a single game in any game mode (single player is still fun for now though).
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Just grabbed a copy of this from the Origin sale.

Runs great on the SLI 780Ti's (5880x1080 surround).

Only problem is the SLI profile was buggy horizontal flickering on the screen constantly, moving from the top down.
Deleted the SLI profile with nvidia inspector and it plays fine.

Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to correct the proper SLI profile for this game instead of using the default profile?

On a site note from benchmarks; anyone having trouble finding an online game for this? Seems like there are no servers or no one playing in the Asia Pacific region, literally can't find a single game in any game mode (single player is still fun for now though).

Considering there are usually less than 5000 users on at any given time WORLDWIDE, it should be no shock there there aren't enough people online in the Asia Pacific region to play online with. At best you might have a server worth of active players of that game in the entire region. What's the chance that all of them log in and attempt to play online at the same time? Much more likely they, like you, tried once or twice, didn't get in, and just resigned to single player, eliminating them from the already small online playerbase in your region.

That's ok though, the game sucks online anyway. You aren't missing anything, and by the numbers the world seems to agree.
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