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post #61 of 68
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Originally Posted by D3XXX View Post

Sensors will both exceed your (anyone's) human needs. Implementation of the sensors is what matters more. Avoid Zowie, Steelseries and FinalMouse for 3310.

Avoid Deathadder 2013 for ADNS 3899 because, well it's Razer and I'm assuming you'd like your mouse to last. + no on-board memory, and datamining spynapse.

Roccat Kone Pure Military is a solid offering although a bit on the small size.

Asus Strix is a great offering, although the firmware still needs to be worked on a bit, but the actual build quality, shape and clicks are top notch, and the firmware isn't horrible like Steelseries, just not as good as Roccats so far, but it's still beta. But it performs great, and if modding isn't your thing it's a more traditional offering.

Mionix Avior and Naos 7000 both have excellent firmware for the 3310 (well only tested at 500 and 1000 dpi, 500 and 1000 hz each) but for those the firmware is great, mice are good, but the build quality is a bit on the cheap side IMO. Without abuse it'll last, but I wouldn't expect it to survive a fall off a desk as I would a Roccat, Logitech, or Asus. Castor likely the same story, but don't know first hand.

Asus Gladius is one of the best value buys out there all round IMO and has solid firmware backing the ADNS 3988, and lots of options to mod if desired, comes with braided AND non-braided cables, spare skates, mesh lan bag, and alternate Omron switches if you choose to mod, and you can get about 10 different other kinds on Ebay.

I'd say go for the Gladius, personally. Roccat Kone XTD has a 3899 optical version, but I have not used it personally but I would assume that's great as well.

All Mice mentioned unless otherwise said I own and have used and tested other than FelchingMouse (it's a Chinese rebrand, nothing special about it - startup spent all their money paying off pros and couldn't design their own mouse, chassis or anything; I highly doubt their firmware can compete against stock, or that of much larger companies implementing the sensor.) and Zowie mice as I wouldn't give them a penny for their crap, although I do like some the designs of their chassies.

I felt like the Gladius tracked like garbage compared to the DA2013. Maybe mine was just bad, but if you're a competitive player or just fancy center of massing people I would say avoid the Gladius. Casual aimers I'm sure it's fine, probably looks really good sitting on the desk along side a ROG rig.
post #62 of 68
I played with the switches a bit too much and don't really use any palm grip mouse for competitive gaming but I would say the DA2013 tracked decently provided you turned spynapse off and used 800 DPI/1000 hz no surface cali. Gladius never had an issue with @ same settings, at 1500 hz or 2000 hz, although I stuck with 1000. Main issue I've had with the Gladius is choosing switches.
post #63 of 68
Doesn't all the ROG mice have bad click latency? Might be an issue if you're an awper
post #64 of 68
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Doesn't all the ROG mice have bad click latency? Might be an issue if you're an awper

Later firmware added it. Technically someone could just decide not to upgrade their firmware or maybe downgrade it to the original.
post #65 of 68
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Originally Posted by Zenith Phantasm View Post

Doesn't all the ROG mice have bad click latency? Might be an issue if you're an awper

Honestly with how poorly people have their game setup, I think it would be the last thing they would need to change for input latency to make or break a shot. Obviously adding any is bad, but people generally have poop tons with asinine configs anyways.
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Later firmware added it. Technically someone could just decide not to upgrade their firmware or maybe downgrade it to the original.

Well despite knowing the issue going into it I still ordered a Sica and it forced me to update firmware before I could set any settings using the app. I don't know what the defaults are/were and didn't try very hard to end the process as I didn't really care because I wasn't planning on keeping the mouse.

I've yet to test it extensively, but I actually like it a whole lot in terms of size, shape and feel. If I keep it for sure I might check into downgrading firmware somehow or getting a replacement sent and not flashing it - but that depends on default DPI as it only allows one, and defaults to 500 hz (although I could live with that)

But given that, I assume it's the same with someone who is getting a Gladius, downloading the app and trying to adjust software. I can't say because I don't remember but my Gladius is at the latest version.

Wondering if the same issues plague the Strix Claw as that was one mouse that totally caught me by surprise, and I find it's got a great shape and feel. Haven't really rigorously gamed with it yet, and firmware and drivers are still beta (on 10 x64 anyways).
post #66 of 68
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Originally Posted by D3XXX View Post

Honestly with how poorly people have their game setup, I think it would be the last thing they would need to change for input latency to make or break a shot. Obviously adding any is bad, but people generally have poop tons with asinine configs anyways.

That's pretty much why I always look tweaks up on wiki / MS Technet / ... before applying them. Some of them even downright break some functionality, so it's handy to know what is going to happen.

I've left the "Windows Search" service Enabled in Windows 10 for instance, as it seems to break alot of functionality in terms of "Searching" simply things through the start menu. On Windows 7/8/8.1 I only disable it when a computer is running from an SSD, otherwise some searches can take alot longer then an end user would expect.

(That's just one example of many though)
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post #67 of 68
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That's pretty much why I always look tweaks up on wiki / MS Technet / ... before applying them. Some of them even downright break some functionality, so it's handy to know what is going to happen.

I've left the "Windows Search" service Enabled in Windows 10 for instance, as it seems to break alot of functionality in terms of "Searching" simply things through the start menu. On Windows 7/8/8.1 I only disable it when a computer is running from an SSD, otherwise some searches can take alot longer then an end user would expect.

(That's just one example of many though)

Oh lol that would be far beyond the demographic I was referring to. I was referring to cs players with assinine config (.cfg) files, driver settings and monitor settings.

Anyone who knows what they are doing looks things up prior but the majority wouldn't even know what they were reading if they actually bothered to independently investigate which most aren't, don't want to know. They either get sold on doing it or don't buy into it, independently of whether or not anything actually changes lol. The cs community is still plagued with with the average recommendations being stupid since at least 2007. In large part it's because the pros, while talented at playing, are entirely retardedly benighted themselves and monkey see monkey do. Not like Quake pros who know the engine inside out.
post #68 of 68
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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

well the only thing going for 3310 is that the amount of smoothing is the same for all dpis (4ms) whereas 3988 increases to 8ms at 1600dpi and 16ms at 3200dpi

So if your a low sensitivity player the 3988 is better? I never go over 1000dpi
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