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1.3.4 when I had first installed the style, after the slight coloring edit on page 3 I think?


I've been totally engrossed in University, Gym, and Korean studies to really pay attention beyond the obvious of late lol

Wow. So, what do you think of everything I've done? smile.gif

Also, what page are you on now? I'm on page 26.
I'm on page 3. redface.gif
Remember to reference POST number instead page number as there are 10 different "posts per page" settings. Although I can easily convert in my head since I'm on 100 posts per page vs the default 10.

TwoCables I must say I am a little disappointed in your lack of vision for the proposed menu changes. There is no need to block the entire area which prevents clicking subscriptions and messages. I am not sure what you know how to do, so I'll list a few ways I can think of making this possible.

First off, the way these types menu's open and close is an issue that was fixed in the 90's by Apple(?), and yet coders all over the planet do not make menu's correctly in 2016! They fixed it by detecting the vector of your mouse and if it were heading TOWARD the menu at a certain angle and acceleration the menu would stay open. I highly doubt that that is even possible with this simple web code though, so the behavior will have to be emulated as best as possible.

Our menu behavior end goal is:
To prevent the menu from closing unintentionally if moving from the profile picture to it diagonally.

We don't know how to make a delay which would have been the easiest solution.
I'm also going to stay on the safe side and assume that implimenting something like this this interferes with the ability to click something beneath.

If we can do anything resembling diagonals then this should be completly possible.

Here I have drawn three lines.


Green would work if it did not interfere with the words. I'm going to assume that there is interference and rule out green.
Yellow will work if the lines that the words are on which are continue invisibly can be trimmed or perhaps that's not even necessary and they can just simply be covered. The downside is that you cannot click the number for Subscriptions directly, and thus you'd want to make the number for private messages match. I find that 95% of diagonal entries fall within yellow.
The third line Red is the worst case scenario line. It will probably be very limited in it's effectiveness, likely to the point of not even being noticed or used 90%+ of the time.

So can we adapt the code to go diagonally instead of straight? That is THE most important question.

NOTE: The angle of the line is just eyeballed. It should probably be adjusted for technical and or functional reasons.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 1/25/16 at 3:53pm
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I only know very basic stuff. All I want is to change the delay that occurs so that if I accidentally fall off of the Profile menu, it doesn't close instantly. I want it to be identical to the way the Forums menu behaves. Until I can achieve that, I won't be making any changes. CSS and JavaScript can only accomplish so much.

 

Anyway, I'm surprised by your disappointment because you and I have been through this before. I have made my position extremely clear numerous times already.


Edited by TwoCables - 1/25/16 at 4:00pm
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I only know very basic stuff.

Anyway, I'm surprised by your disappointment because you and I have been through this before. I have made my position extremely clear numerous times already.
Your reluctance to improve what is obviously broken perhaps. It's not a design choice we're arguing about here, it's a design flaw. If we can fix it we should. OCN is classically a community of people who improves, enhances, and fixes things. If having a working drop down menu isn't "classic" then I don't know what is.

If there is no way to do it tat you are aware of then I guess that's that. But it appears you're giving up before even considering the benefit of fixing it.

Go mouse of it a few times, you can't tell me that it doesn't feel unnatural to confine yourself to the invisible borders going straight down. If you go off of them by a little bit the menu closes. It happens to everyone.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 1/25/16 at 4:03pm
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Your reluctance to improve what is obviously broken perhaps. It's not a design choice we're arguing about here, it's a design flaw. If we can fix it we should. OCN is classically a community of people who improves, enhances, and fixes things. If having a working drop down menu isn't "classic" then I don't know what is.


What do you think is broken? What do you think is a design flaw? Be clear and we will discuss it.

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Your reluctance to improve what is obviously broken perhaps. It's not a design choice we're arguing about here, it's a design flaw. If we can fix it we should. OCN is classically a community of people who improves, enhances, and fixes things. If having a working drop down menu isn't "classic" then I don't know what is.


What do you think is broken? What do you think is a design flaw? Be clear and we will discuss it.
I will make a gif (webm actually). I've never made one of my screen before, it'll be a few minutes.
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I will make a gif (webm actually). I've never made one of my screen before, it'll be a few minutes.

 

Oh just explain it.

 

I think I already know what you're talking about and I already explained very clearly why I refuse to use that code. http://www.overclock.net/t/1581409/ocn-classic/250#post_24829487

 

If you want to modify your installation of OCN Classic with that code, then go right ahead.


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When you naturally go to a manu, your movements are not robotic, they go diagonal sometimes. There's inertia to them. Consequently you can come in and exit diagonally sometimes, especially since it's a menu that requires you go to the top of the screen and then back down to open. Unfortunately you must go STRAIGHT down, or else the menu closes on you! That means you have to THINK about it every time, rather than it just coming naturally. UI elements that make you do that are called "unintuitive".
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When you naturally go to a manu, your movements are not robotic, they go diagonal sometimes. There's inertia to them. Consequently you can come in and exit diagonally sometimes, especially since it's a menu that requires you go to the top of the screen and then back down to open. Unfortunately you must go STRAIGHT down, or else the menu closes on you! That means you have to THINK about it every time, rather than it just coming naturally. UI elements that make you do that are called "unintuitive".

 

Yes, that's why I made this thread:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1583930/please-make-the-profile-menu-have-the-same-hover-time-as-the-forums-menu

 

Until I can figure out how to do what I am asking for in that thread with CSS or JavaScript or until I can figure out a solution that doesn't block the links to Private Messages and Subscriptions when the menu is open, I will not be doing anything at all. If you like the results of the code that was posted earlier, then that's fine: use it. I will not be taking it though because the links to Private Messages and Subscriptions become BLOCKED when the menu is open. THAT IS NOT GOOD.

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Wow. So, what do you think of everything I've done? smile.gif

Also, what page are you on now? I'm on page 26.

sorry, normally I would cite post but I was under time constraints but didnt want to leave you hanging lol

Here

Thats when I stopped updating as I was satisfied at that point smile.gif

As for Cookies suggestion, it would be cool to have but I dont expect OCN to implement it as they have basically sat on their hands up til now as far as whats been presented to us.
    
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When you naturally go to a manu, your movements are not robotic, they go diagonal sometimes. There's inertia to them. Consequently you can come in and exit diagonally sometimes, especially since it's a menu that requires you go to the top of the screen and then back down to open. Unfortunately you must go STRAIGHT down, or else the menu closes on you! That means you have to THINK about it every time, rather than it just coming naturally. UI elements that make you do that are called "unintuitive".


Yes, that's why I made this thread:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1583930/please-make-the-profile-menu-have-the-same-hover-time-as-the-forums-menu

Until I can figure out how to do what I am asking for in that thread with CSS or JavaScript or until I can figure out a solution that doesn't block the links to Private Messages and Subscriptions when the menu is open, I will not be doing anything at all. If you like the results of the code that was posted earlier, then that's fine: use it. I will not be taking it though.
Can't we simply not block the links by making the transparent area a triangle? This is what I'm getting at:
Ignore the green.
The black lines are where the links cease to be clickable. It is a sacrifice, but a small one compared to the gain (IMO). The words end and there are only invisible lines for clicking beyond that which might not even be ideal in the first place. As a general rule, invisible elements should not be ones you can interact with. They tend to be problematic for one reason or another. Anywho, the yellow triangle would be the transparent extension. When your mouse passes over it the menu remains OPEN as it is part of the menu! biggrin.gif


There is the question of the notification bubbles though. They come and they go, so perhaps it's not a huge loss for them to be unclickable as well? Consistency is important.
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