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So I'm getting tired of looking at builds and parts and not know what goes on and would like to learn about Water Cooling but don't know where to start. I have watched some of JayzTwoCents videos about Water Cooling but that doesn't cover everything.
post #2 of 25
Pretty much there are two options for watercooling.

1. Custom
2. AIO (All-In-One)


What's the difference? Custom, well it's just that. Custom loops involve making your own loops and configurations depending on your needs. I.E. you can bend acrylic tubing if you want a clean look. You could use regular flexible tubing because you're not experienced enough to bend tubing or are on a tighter budget. AIO on the other hand gets rid of choosing pumps, tubings, fittings, reservoirs, gpu block, cpu block, and fans. Everything comes in a package already in a supposedly leak proof closed system meaning you can't take it apart.

But what are the advantages of custom or AIO?

Custom if any parts break or if you want to upgrade or change looks you can at any time by taking whatever you don't want on it anymore off and replace it with something else. AIO on the other hand removes the required maintenance and the need to having to take apart your setup for cleaning. I.E. if you don't use plasticizer free tubing your loop will get dirty in a custom loop. You don't need to maintain anything for AIO setups.

What are the disadvantages of custom or AIO?

Custom can cost a lot more, can be complex, and requires more time and careful planning to make the design and installation a success. AIO is harder to fix if the pump goes out or the tubing springs a leak due to either poor manufacture design or workmanship.

So which one should I choose?

Pretty much the one that fits your needs. If you just want something that works and performs well without having to do much then AIO is the way to go. But if you want fancy lights, reservoirs, colored tubings, colored liquids, and heavier customization then custom loops are a much better option.

You should check out some of the older watercooling guides:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1406363/beginners-guide-for-water-cooling-2013/0_30

But becareful as some sites have closed i.e. FrozenCPU, don't try to purchase anything from there. And Jab-tech is basically gone and so is Petras.
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post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by anoob View Post

Pretty much there are two options for watercooling.

1. Custom
2. AIO (All-In-One)


What's the difference? Custom, well it's just that. Custom loops involve making your own loops and configurations depending on your needs. I.E. you can bend acrylic tubing if you want a clean look. You could use regular flexible tubing because you're not experienced enough to bend tubing or are on a tighter budget. AIO on the other hand gets rid of choosing pumps, tubings, fittings, reservoirs, gpu block, cpu block, and fans. Everything comes in a package already in a supposedly leak proof closed system meaning you can't take it apart.

But what are the advantages of custom or AIO?

Custom if any parts break or if you want to upgrade or change looks you can at any time by taking whatever you don't want on it anymore off and replace it with something else. AIO on the other hand removes the required maintenance and the need to having to take apart your setup for cleaning. I.E. if you don't use plasticizer free tubing your loop will get dirty in a custom loop. You don't need to maintain anything for AIO setups.

What are the disadvantages of custom or AIO?

Custom can cost a lot more, can be complex, and requires more time and careful planning to make the design and installation a success. AIO is harder to fix if the pump goes out or the tubing springs a leak due to either poor manufacture design or workmanship.

So which one should I choose?

Pretty much the one that fits your needs. If you just want something that works and performs well without having to do much then AIO is the way to go. But if you want fancy lights, reservoirs, colored tubings, colored liquids, and heavier customization then custom loops are a much better option.

You should check out some of the older watercooling guides:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1406363/beginners-guide-for-water-cooling-2013/0_30

But becareful as some sites have closed i.e. FrozenCPU, don't try to purchase anything from there. And Jab-tech is basically gone and so is Petras.
Thanks for the post I do have some custon water cooling questions to start off with.

How do you learn all this and whats a good way to learn about pump tops pumps and resivoirs.
post #4 of 25
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Thanks for the post I do have some custon water cooling questions to start off with.

How do you learn all this and whats a good way to learn about pump tops pumps and resivoirs.

Put time and effort into reading in depth into the topic. I'm sure your next question will probably end up being "Which is the best fans?" Gentle Typhoons as regarded by many watercooler enthusiasts. Reservoirs generally work all the same and its general purpose is to pretty much hold extra water and bleed air out of the loop. The material for the reservoir could be important or the placement of it is also important in custom loops. I.E. my Swiftech Micro-Res cracked over time because it was made out of acrylic. Being that I have the Micro-Res at the end of the loop may have caused it to crack from warmer water over time. I'm not a fan of acrylic as it's possible that they will crack over time. Using a custom pumptop is slightly riskier and will void your warranty with pumps from the likes of Swiftech. Pretty much the MCP655 or B variant is made by Laing then sold to some other company then to some other company which I forget. Most people will be using Laing pumps unless they can get a different pump like an Iwaki or something. But generally the Laing pumps are favored because of size and water flow of GPM. It's pretty difficult to find a DC pump to fit inside your case.

So if you want to learn, start reading. You may want to read up on other forums too like XS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forum.php) though the site is a little slower now and days as watercooling has gone done a bit in popularity. I used to be on XS a lot watercooling E6600, E8400, and Q9400. Then to Sandy Bridge 2500K/2600K. You may want to dig up info at Skinnee Labs too though the info is probably slightly out of date. Pretty sure Skinnee went on break from the watercooling world I forget if he will return or not.
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post #5 of 25
If you want to learn check out these links. My best advice is to read, read, read and then read some more. Once you have a good base of knowledge, come back and ask specific question on topics where you are fuzzy.

[updated] Water Cooling Essential Threads

>>> 2014 Beginning Water-Cooling Guide <<<</a>
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post #6 of 25
Reading up on everything is always a good start.

What I would suggest is to go to www.Performance-PCs.com and just start looking through everything. A lot of the stuff on there will have specifications listed for you to get a better grasp on things. Then if you come across a term you don't understand or aren't quite sure what makes it useful, google it, or come here and ask.

When it's all said and done, everything won't really click until you get your hands dirty and get in there and do it.
post #7 of 25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by apw63 View Post

If you want to learn check out these links. My best advice is to read, read, read and then read some more. Once you have a good base of knowledge, come back and ask specific question on topics where you are fuzzy.

[updated] Water Cooling Essential Threads

>>> 2014 Beginning Water-Cooling Guide <<<</a>

Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by DNMock View Post

Reading up on everything is always a good start.

What I would suggest is to go to www.Performance-PCs.com and just start looking through everything. A lot of the stuff on there will have specifications listed for you to get a better grasp on things. Then if you come across a term you don't understand or aren't quite sure what makes it useful, google it, or come here and ask.

When it's all said and done, everything won't really click until you get your hands dirty and get in there and do it.
I've been fooling around with PCPP and stuff but thats not going to teach me the rights wrongs good bads.[/quote]I've been folling around with PCPP and stuff but thats not going to teach me the rights wrongs good bads

Quote:
Originally Posted by anoob View Post

Put time and effort into reading in depth into the topic. I'm sure your next question will probably end up being "Which is the best fans?" Gentle Typhoons as regarded by many watercooler enthusiasts. Reservoirs generally work all the same and its general purpose is to pretty much hold extra water and bleed air out of the loop. The material for the reservoir could be important or the placement of it is also important in custom loops. I.E. my Swiftech Micro-Res cracked over time because it was made out of acrylic. Being that I have the Micro-Res at the end of the loop may have caused it to crack from warmer water over time. I'm not a fan of acrylic as it's possible that they will crack over time. Using a custom pumptop is slightly riskier and will void your warranty with pumps from the likes of Swiftech. Pretty much the MCP655 or B variant is made by Laing then sold to some other company then to some other company which I forget. Most people will be using Laing pumps unless they can get a different pump like an Iwaki or something. But generally the Laing pumps are favored because of size and water flow of GPM. It's pretty difficult to find a DC pump to fit inside your case.

So if you want to learn, start reading. You may want to read up on other forums too like XS (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forum.php) though the site is a little slower now and days as watercooling has gone done a bit in popularity. I used to be on XS a lot watercooling E6600, E8400, and Q9400. Then to Sandy Bridge 2500K/2600K. You may want to dig up info at Skinnee Labs too though the info is probably slightly out of date. Pretty sure Skinnee went on break from the watercooling world I forget if he will return or not.
Alright will look into it. Thanks.
Edited by HowAmI - 11/27/15 at 7:06pm
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Thanks
I've been folling around with PCPP and stuff but thats not going to teach me the rights wrongs good bads.
I've been folling around with PCPP and stuff but thats not going to teach me the rights wrongs good bads
Alright will look into it. Thanks.[/quote]

No, but it will give you things to think about that you may have never considered, like is it more important to have more head pressure, or a higher flow rate in a pump, or fans with higher CFM, or Static pressure, how important is Fins per Inch on the radiator? those are all the sorts of things that can be researched so you can decide what's best for your build.

If you can lay out your case, what all you plan to be cooling, and what your primary objective is (is it for looks, higher overclocking, both?). I can lay out what I think would suite you best and I'm sure those that are more experienced than I will do the same and explain why we are suggesting those items for you. thumb.gif
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by DNMock View Post

I've been folling around with PCPP and stuff but thats not going to teach me the rights wrongs good bads
Alright will look into it. Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DNMock View Post

No, but it will give you things to think about that you may have never considered, like is it more important to have more head pressure, or a higher flow rate in a pump, or fans with higher CFM, or Static pressure, how important is Fins per Inch on the radiator? those are all the sorts of things that can be researched so you can decide what's best for your build.

If you can lay out your case, what all you plan to be cooling, and what your primary objective is (is it for looks, higher overclocking, both?). I can lay out what I think would suite you best and I'm sure those that are more experienced than I will do the same and explain why we are suggesting those items for you. thumb.gif
Thanks I also have to keep in mind many things such as your list and that reminded me to think about that. wink.gifthumb.gif
Edited by HowAmI - 11/27/15 at 7:30pm
post #10 of 25
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I was wondering if somebody could answer this question on builds I see people have a aftermarket pumptop but the thing is the res is directly connected to the pump top with no fitting in between and I've been trying to figure out how that works but I can't find anything about it and I was wondering if sombody could explain.

Example: Singularity Computers Client Builld 14
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edited by HowAmI - 12/4/15 at 2:00pm
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