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Bottom line is that this is the pinnacle of 1440P 21:9 panel tech at the moment... which isn't actually as amazing as it sounds given how old this panel is now, being the same as used in the Dell and LG curved monitors, just overclocked and G-Sync added. Still, for what it is, it's a decent bit of kit... but the problem is the PRICE! I just can't see any justification for it, and when Pascal/Polaris is out and we see DP 1.3 monitors on the horizon (not far away now at all), this monitor is going to look pretty long in the tooth and no doubt plummet in price. But hey, at the end of the day I guess in the here and now it's ultimately worth what people are willing to pay for it, and there's no shortage of excitement out there for it.
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Well the panel and the failed 100 oc and the scalines and all the other crap the acer version has there's a point to be made.. with pushing a 60hz panel to 100hz.

Yeah it's not worth $1300 but if you want one then you'll pay. These panels are dirt cheap and they make a killing @ 1300. Monoprice has the same panel $499 75hz no gsync.. and they are making a profit smile.gif.

@ 1300 acer and asus are making 1000+ percent profit on these monitors.

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Oh look, that one can reach 100hz as well
post #484 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Spiriva View Post

There are a few "problems" with your statment. First off this is a forum where pretty much everyone have a different economy. There for it doesnt matter if this monitor isnt worth it for you, when for someone els it doesnt matter if he buy five and give three away.

The pascal card who is suppose to be released this summer isnt the "big daddy pascal", that card is due to be released in q1 2017.

The DP 1.3 monitors you wrote about have not been shown yet, so we must assume that a 120+hz 21:9 curved monitor is atleast a year away from now even if Acer is to release a poor modell as soon as possible as always with **** load of problems....like always.

We can assume that buyers of this monitor like the "high end stuff" which means that when pascal is released the same ppl who bought this monitor will buy a pascal too, and when Asus or anyone but Acer release a 120+hz 21:9 curved monitor, these same ppl will buy one of them monitors too.

Everyone have a different economy and can and will buy different things. This is just a fact.

Well, "worth" can have two meanings. I am simply speaking to the technological aspect, and when you break it down, the panel is getting on (in tech years), nothing new or groundbreaking about it... just overclocked with G-Sync added. From a psychological point of view it's a totally different thing, and in that sense yes, it's worth literally WHATEVER someone is willing to pay for it, and first adopters and those people who must have "high end stuff" will often pay any price, no questions asked. You can still look at something from a purely nuts and bolts technical point of view though, just as you could break down any tech... and in this aspect it's not difficult to argue that the X34/PG348Q are not worth their price tags.
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Well, "worth" can have two meanings. I am simply speaking to the technological aspect, and when you break it down, the panel is getting on (in tech years), nothing new or groundbreaking about it... just overclocked with G-Sync added. From a psychological point of view it's a totally different thing, and in that sense yes, it's worth literally WHATEVER someone is willing to pay for it, and first adopters and those people who must have "high end stuff" will often pay any price, no questions asked. You can still look at something from a purely nuts and bolts technical point of view though, just as you could break down any tech... and in this aspect it's not difficult to argue that the X34/PG348Q are not worth their price tags.

Most of us build expensive hardware because it's a hobbie. You can compare that to a car collector. Some people pay really fortunes just to have that rare '45 model. He's probably not going to use it everyday. He also have dozens of other cars in his garage. According to your statement, it's the same as asking "why do you buy such expensive cars when Toyota makes muh cheaper popular cars that do the same as your 45' model?"

If someone just can't afford that 348Q, then this person will simply not buy it, or maybe it will save money for some time to do it. If it's not your thing, go for something else, but bashing about the price doesn't make any sence. Look at Apple customers, they are way worse
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Most of us build expensive hardware because it's a hobbie. You can compare that to a car collector. Some people pay really fortunes just to have that rare '45 model. He's probably not going to use it everyday. He also have dozens of other cars in his garage. According to your statement, it's the same as asking "why do you buy such expensive cars when Toyota makes muh cheaper popular cars that do the same as your 45' model?"

If someone just can't afford that 348Q, then this person will simply not buy it, or maybe it will save money for some time to do it. If it's not your thing, go for something else, but bashing about the price doesn't make any sence. Look at Apple customers, they are way worse

Sorry but he was not complaining about people willing to pay for it (as from what I understood from his post) but about price that is totally too high compare to what monitor offers. Guy has a point- you pay for simple 60Hz panel that is overclocked with add G-Sync module inside fancy degisn. But truth is you do not pay for "new" technology. It is years old panel that was overclocked- that is all.

So while I agree that if someone has enough money and want to buy expensive stuff- that is his thing, I am ok with that.

But point remain that you overpay for those G-Sync widescreens since:
1. There is no competition
2. There are QC problems (quite big ones for this price tag)
3. You pay for old panel that was simply overclocked so you pretty much pay for old car that was pimped and is being sell as a brand new design/model.

SO- both of you have points. You have money- you buy what you want. But truth is many time you pay way too much for what product is and what it has to offer.

Which is the case with this and X34 monitor.
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Most of us build expensive hardware because it's a hobbie. You can compare that to a car collector. Some people pay really fortunes just to have that rare '45 model. He's probably not going to use it everyday. He also have dozens of other cars in his garage. According to your statement, it's the same as asking "why do you buy such expensive cars when Toyota makes muh cheaper popular cars that do the same as your 45' model?"

If someone just can't afford that 348Q, then this person will simply not buy it, or maybe it will save money for some time to do it. If it's not your thing, go for something else, but bashing about the price doesn't make any sence. Look at Apple customers, they are way worse

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Sorry but he was not complaining about people willing to pay for it (as from what I understood from his post) but about price that is totally too high compare to what monitor offers. Guy has a point- you pay for simple 60Hz panel that is overclocked with add G-Sync module inside fancy degisn. But truth is you do not pay for "new" technology. It is years old panel that was overclocked- that is all.

So while I agree that if someone has enough money and want to buy expensive stuff- that is his thing, I am ok with that.

But point remain that you overpay for those G-Sync widescreens since:
1. There is no competition
2. There are QC problems (quite big ones for this price tag)
3. You pay for old panel that was simply overclocked so you pretty much pay for old car that was pimped and is being sell and brand new design/model.

SO- both of you has points. You have money- you buy what you want. But truth is many time you pay way too much for product is and has to offer.

Which is the case with this and X34 monitor.

Exactly as Benny says. I'm NOT talking about hobbyists, bleeding edge die hard tech fans or whether someone can afford it or not... actually I personally could, but again this NOT my point. Take ALL emotion and desire out of the equation and simply look at this as a bunch of circuit boards, wires and components that comprise any monitor (or other piece of tech), and in-particular the panel used on the X34/PG34. The sum total of this is FAR off the price being charged. And yes, you could certainly level this at something like the iPhone which costs about a third of the price to manufacture vs what they sell it for... but at least with that you're getting some newly developed tech. The problem with Apple is the hero worship that goes along with it, which exaggerates prices even further... fortunately Apple aren't selling 21:9 monitors as they'd no doubt be twice the price!!

Absolutely, if you can afford it, you buy what you want, and if that makes you happy that's all that matters. That's human nature and the way the world works these days. It's what manufacturers count on actually! But it certainly doesn't mean that the price being paid reflects the actual core technical VALUE of the product.

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You also have to put “sense” vs. “must have” in to the equation, like atomicus was saying, and I don’t mean any offence to anyone here by that as I have been just as hyped about this monitor. I have the money, I am tempted to buy 2 possibly 3 of these monitors, but cant justify paying almost 500 squid more for each monitor, just for g-sync and “up to” 40hz more refresh rate, than buying a Dell U3415W. That would be 1K to 1.5K just for a slightly higher refresh rate.

I was in the electronics industry many years as a technical engineer for some of the leading manufacturers, so know exactly how much these things really cost to make, and the price up on this monitor is more like 600%, put you also have to put into that cost technology rights, packaging, design royalties etc, so its not just about the silicon and plastic.

Both the X34 and the PG348Q are beautiful monitors and I was so hyped about them, and came so close to pre-order a few times, even yesterday, after watching the new DOOM trailer, set to be released May 13th, I thought about how amazing it will be playing it on the PG348Q : -)

But I do plan to change my aging Titans for Pascal’s this year, and I am guessing they will have DP 1.3, seeing as AMD cards will.

I found this forum thread that has some interesting sections. Section 10 of 10 is the most interesting. Its about DP 1.3 and the last part in section 10 is about future monitors. But you have to scroll past a lot of stuff first to get there..

https://forum.teksyndicate.com/t/70-ultra-high-end-gaming-monitors-uhd-tvs-1440p-4k-buyers-guide/96491

So if you are like me and plan to get the next AMD / Nvidia cards this year with DP1.3, it seems like holding out until the end of the year or 2017 may be a wiser choice. DP 1.3 will bring much better refresh rates and enhancements. Paying 1K for Pg348Q or X34 now, and then finding the price has dropped to 799 in a few months is going to hurt a little, but with UHD media out this year and players, and the new enhancements and higher refresh rates DP 1.3 will also bring to gaming, it will hurt even more next year.
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Exactly as Benny says. I'm NOT talking about hobbyists, bleeding edge die hard tech fans or whether someone can afford it or not... actually I personally could, but again this NOT my point. Take ALL emotion and desire out of the equation and simply look at this as a bunch of circuit boards, wires and components that comprise any monitor (or other piece of tech), and in-particular the panel used on the X34/PG34. The sum total of this is FAR off the price being charged. And yes, you could certainly level this at something like the iPhone which costs about a third of the price to manufacture vs what they sell it for... but at least with that you're getting some newly developed tech. The problem with Apple is the hero worship that goes along with it, which exaggerates prices even further... fortunately Apple aren't selling 21:9 monitors as they'd no doubt be twice the price!!

Absolutely, if you can afford it, you buy what you want, and if that makes you happy that's all that matters. That's human nature and the way the world works these days. It's what manufacturers count on actually! But it certainly doesn't mean that the price being paid reflects the actual core technical VALUE of the product.

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you are forcing objectives views on a subjective market. its subjective cause its the actual top gaming panel for at least a year, there is only one buyer ( you), you buy only one or 2 , don't sell it for at least 2 years and concurrence is limited ( only x34 and limited numbers of X34 and PG348 for at last 3 to 6 monthes).
You won't really upgrade before end of 2017 cause you will need real pascal dp 1.3 + 100hz/120hz 21/9 34" 4K to call it a real upgrade and the same with oled will need dp 1.4. so buying it now enters the 2 years range

its the same difference than between purchasing stocks and a real estate.
Stock is objective cause value is determined naturally based on the balance of supply and demand, as multitude of people buy and sells ten of thousands of the same shares of the same company every day
Real estate, even if there is standartized evaluations, is subjective and a condo at the top of a tower can be sold 20% over the market price in a month while some cheap estate are still unsold after a year
Edited by Exee - 2/6/16 at 5:36am
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I think you insanely optimistic about seeing a pascal card OR a DP1.3 monitor earlier than 365 days from now... Both would have been unveiled already if either were in the cards this year...

All the current Pascal "news" is just echo chamber syndrome.
https://semiaccurate.com/2016/02/01/news-of-nvidias-pascal-tapeout-and-silicon-is-important/
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