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I think you insanely optimistic about seeing a pascal card OR a DP1.3 monitor earlier than 365 days from now... Both would have been unveiled already if either were in the cards this year...

All the current Pascal "news" is just echo chamber syndrome.
https://semiaccurate.com/2016/02/01/news-of-nvidias-pascal-tapeout-and-silicon-is-important/

Really?

Not according to AMD's 2016 technology summit roadmap...





I've not had the time to see what nvidia are doing, but my guess is, if AMD plan to do it this year, Nvidia will have to as well...

And I said late 2016 or 2017, so I'm happy to wait rather than spend money on monitors that are over priced and pushing the limits ( often unsuccessfully! ) of the older DP 1.2.
Edited by SRPlus - 2/6/16 at 5:58am
post #492 of 1177
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you are forcing objectives views on a subjective market. its subjective cause its the actual top gaming panel for at least a year, there is only one buyer ( you), you buy only one or 2 , don't sell it for at least 2 years and concurrence is limited ( only x34 and limited numbers of X34 and PG348 for at last 3 to 6 monthes).
You won't really upgrade before end of 2017 cause you will need real pascal dp 1.3 + 100hz/120hz 21/9 34" 4K to call it a real upgrade and the same with oled will need dp 1.4. so buying it now enters the 2 years range

its the same difference than between purchasing stocks and a real estate.
Stock is objective cause value is determined naturally based on the balance of supply and demand, as multitude of people buy and sells ten of thousands of the same shares of the same company every day
Real estate, even if there is standartized evaluations, is subjective and a condo at the top of a tower can be sold 20% over the market price in a month while some cheap estate are still unsold after a year

Again, missing the point. There is a subjective way to look at this as you say, but there is ALSO a very matter of fact nuts and bolts way of looking at it, stripped of anything and everything but the technology in question. You may be right, this could be the top monitor for the next year... we have no idea when DP 1.3 monitors will become available to buy... but that is NOT the point. I am simply referring to the tech of this monitor and what it brings to the table from a pure technological value point of view in respect to the price being charged. Whether you or anyone else is willing to pay that or not is irrelevant, as is the re-sale value in a few months... it's the intrinsic core component value here and now, and this is where the X34/PG34 fall down. As SRPlus says, the mark up on this is probably north of 500%, and that dwarfs the likes of the iPhone or pretty much any other "high end" tech product out there. But I say again, if you can afford it, the monitor makes you happy and you do not care about any of the above, then this is all fine... but it's NOT what I'm talking about.
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Edited by SRPlus - 2/6/16 at 6:44am
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Again, missing the point. There is a subjective way to look at this as you say, but there is ALSO a very matter of fact nuts and bolts way of looking at it, stripped of anything and everything but the technology in question. You may be right, this could be the top monitor for the next year... we have no idea when DP 1.3 monitors will become available to buy... but that is NOT the point. I am simply referring to the tech of this monitor and what it brings to the table from a pure technological value point of view in respect to the price being charged. Whether you or anyone else is willing to pay that or not is irrelevant, as is the re-sale value in a few months... it's the intrinsic core component value here and now, and this is where the X34/PG34 fall down. As SRPlus says, the mark up on this is probably north of 500%, and that dwarfs the likes of the iPhone or pretty much any other "high end" tech product out there. But I say again, if you can afford it, the monitor makes you happy and you do not care about any of the above, then this is all fine... but it's NOT what I'm talking about.

Unfortunately this has always been the case with new TV's and monitors.

I remember when big screen LCD TV's first came out, and first hit retail stores for around 8K!! But they cost 300 squid to produce at the time, and the mark up was because of the extremely high QC failure rate out of the factory.

Lots of companies including Nvidia have been getting away with high mark ups for years! Take their Quadro Range of GPU's! For their flagship Quadro you are usually looking at a mark up over the retail equivalent of over 500%! Yes the silicon is the best of the best out of the factory for better stability, longevity , and there are a few extras thrown in like 10-bit colour output etc, but Nvidia always advertise their Quadros as up to 30% more view port performance ( up to meaning their flagship) , now 30% performance increase over a 500% price increase, that’s just bad business sense.

I’ve used Quadro cards a few times in the past and the small amount of performance increase you get which is barley noticeable over the desktop equivalent is not worth the extra expense. Thanks to the Titan range, people like me that need the extra Vram for production work can get it without paying the extortionate prices of a Quadro or Tesla card.

Apple are another company taking the proverbial P. I can list any of their notebooks, laptops and workstations, and then show you how you can build / buy something with the same power for half the price, or twice the performance for the same price.

Microsoft disappointed me with their Surface book recently. Going the same direction as Apple. You can buy an X3 for the same money as their top end surface Book, that has a lot more performance, so your just paying for the aesthetics, weight and a unique bendy hinge wow!

Anyway, going off topic really, as this is about the PG348Q.

I am still tempted, but I think my money will be going on 4x Pascal GPU’s this half of the year. Maybe if the price drops enough in a few months, or DP 1.3 gets put back to 2018 or something, then I will reconsider the PG348Q.
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Really?

And I said late 2016 or 2017, so I'm happy to wait rather than spend money on monitors that are over priced and pushing the limits ( often unsuccessfully! ) of the older DP 1.2.

Since AMD doesn't make panels and panel makers probably will wait for a DP1.3 compliant sources to have a foothold in the market before they release 1.3 products, my guess remains yes, a year from now for 1.3 panels. Of course some disruptive external tech could change that; ie: DP1.3 4k BluRay Player or something.

I do agree that AMD will likley have a 1.3 card out in Q3/Q4 (June-Dec) of this year putting the "rushed out" 1.3 panels at roughly Q1 and anything decent just beyond that.

Anyway.. I too am torn.. a lot of tech can change in a year.
Edited by sl4ppy - 2/6/16 at 7:40am
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Anyway.. I too am torn.. a lot of tech can change in a year.

That's always the problem, something better in a years time....

I am wanting to build a new rig, and use my current one just as a render node, but until the Xeon E5-2600 V4 refresh, and hopefully something like a Z11PE-D8 WS from Asus with NVlink I am holding back.

One Titan X was only 46% faster than one of my current Titans in iray rendering, so 4K to replace my Titans and only get 46% didn't seem like a good investment. With NVidia's promises that Pascal will be 10X faster than Titan X, it could be the time to upgrade : -) But like most years it will probably only end up being another 45% faster than last years Titan, but that's still a nice improvement over what I have now.
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Acer finally replied back on their Scanline issue. Their response is well, disheartening to say the least that there is going to ever be a fix. I wouldn't be surprised if ASUS can't find a fix either.
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In regards to the scanline issue, I have been provided with an update. Scanlines are an effect caused by rapidly changing refresh rate. Variations in the refresh rate create an increased holding time that results in the accumulation of an electrical charge. When this charge is released, it causes small variations in the frame that result in faint horizontal lines.


We certainly appreciate everyone’s patience and the feedback that has been provided by many of you. Unfortunately, this is a side effect for cutting edge technology and while there is not a fix to be applied, we will continue to make efforts to minimize and eliminate these types of limitations in future releases.
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That's always the problem, something better in a years time....

Indeed, the grass is always greener... or rather, the tech is always shinier on the other side! wink.gif

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Acer finally replied back on their Scanline issue. Their response is well, disheartening to say the least that there is going to ever be a fix. I wouldn't be surprised if ASUS can't find a fix either.

I fully expect this issue to occur on the Asus as well, same panel after all. Odd thing is not everyone seems to report it, so I'm not sure exactly what the cause is... unless some people just don't see it, but it's always there regardless?
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Again, missing the point. There is a subjective way to look at this as you say, but there is ALSO a very matter of fact nuts and bolts way of looking at it, stripped of anything and everything but the technology in question. You may be right, this could be the top monitor for the next year... we have no idea when DP 1.3 monitors will become available to buy... but that is NOT the point. I am simply referring to the tech of this monitor and what it brings to the table from a pure technological value point of view in respect to the price being charged. Whether you or anyone else is willing to pay that or not is irrelevant, as is the re-sale value in a few months... it's the intrinsic core component value here and now, and this is where the X34/PG34 fall down. As SRPlus says, the mark up on this is probably north of 500%, and that dwarfs the likes of the iPhone or pretty much any other "high end" tech product out there. But I say again, if you can afford it, the monitor makes you happy and you do not care about any of the above, then this is all fine... but it's NOT what I'm talking about.

My thoughts - adding DP 1.3 likely doesn't add much to the cost equation, yet those displays will still cost as much as the X34. From a pure tech perspective I agree it's a better value but the markup will still be insane. This is still LCD after all.

Depending on when these monitors release, say Q1 or Q2 2017, we could then be only a year or so away from getting OLED displays as well. So the dilemma of buying now vs waiting is there again, and all LCDs will massively drop in value once OLED is affordable.

I know that Dell OLED is $5000 now, but LG's OLED TVs have seen price reductions of around 40% each year. If the same happens you're looking at around $1800 for OLED by 2018. Probably will be even cheaper just considering how marked up in cost the Dell is... you can get LG's 65" 4K OLED for $5000 now although it is only 60 Hz.
Edited by x3sphere - 2/6/16 at 10:06am
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Sorry for the newbie question guys, but what do they mean by saying "144hz HDR" and "190hz SDR"? Can I assume that we'll have 190hz 3440x1440 DP1.3 monitors? And what about G-sync/Freesync features in these panels? Totally possible?
Edited by Wagnelles - 2/6/16 at 10:20am
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