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My thoughts - adding DP 1.3 likely doesn't add much to the cost equation, yet those displays will still cost as much as the X34. From a pure tech perspective I agree it's a better value but the markup will still be insane. This is still LCD after all.

Depending on when these monitors release, say Q1 or Q2 2017, we could then be only a year or so away from getting OLED displays as well. So the dilemma of buying now vs waiting is there again, and all LCDs will massively drop in value once OLED is affordable.

I know that Dell OLED is $5000 now, but LG's OLED TVs have seen price reductions of around 40% each year. If the same happens you're looking at around $1800 for OLED by 2018. Probably will be even cheaper just considering how marked up in cost the Dell is... you can get LG's 65" 4K OLED for $5000 now although it is only 60 Hz.

I don't know about everyone else, I think some people must have the latest thing every year, some people get the best that they can afford hoping it will last them a few years before thinking about upgrading again, I am definitely the latter.

When I build a new rig I make sure that the high end components are the best spec available at the time, knowing that it will be at least 3 years before I have to think about upgrading again.

My Dual Xeons still beat the top end overclocked I7 at rendering with Mental ray, my 4x Titans still play the latest games at ultra settings with easy, and render a photo realistic interior HD image noise free in Iray usually in under 10 minutes, so I consider these as a good investment. Yes pricy at the time, but they paid for themselves within a few months, and I'd still consider my system high end.

So why buy a monitor that's struggling to push 100hz using DP 1.2, when DP 1.3 capable GPU's and Monitors are under a year away? In one year I will be thinking about upgrading again, so wouldn't consider it to be a good investment. Plus UHD blue ray players are defiantly happening this year so TV and monitor manufacturers will be hurrying to make sure their future products are DP 1.3 capable.
Edited by SRPlus - 2/6/16 at 10:39am
post #502 of 1177
Well after reading your comments, I will now make a comment on the situation

If you can get the ASUS PG348Q now, why wait for the 144hz (Q1 2017) when there is almost no visible difference between 100hz and 144hz

If you do want to wait for it, then 4K 95hz might not be long after that, then you will want to wait again

Also saying that the ASUS PG348Q and ACER Predator X34 are not worth it, is your opinion, I think £1000 is fine for these monitors as they are new and include features most people want in a monitor, if you think it is not worth it, do not buy it.

Also do not expect high end Pascal to be out this year, it will be Q1 2017

Who said about getting 4 way SLI Titans, that would introduce so much microstutter and would not be worth it due to scaling

You guys know DP 1.3 is quite awful, as we cannot even get 4K 21.9 100hz, do not expect any good monitors with DP 1.3 this year, they would have been shown at CES
post #503 of 1177
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So why buy a monitor that's struggling to push 100hz using DP 1.2, when DP 1.3 capable GPU's and Monitors are under a year away? In one year I will be thinking about upgrading again, so wouldn't consider it to be a good investment. Plus UHD blue ray players are defiantly happening this year so TV and monitor manufacturers will be hurrying to make sure their future products are DP 1.3 capable.

I don't upgrade every year either. I just don't think the X34 or PG348Q are a bad purchase even though DP 1.3 displays are a little less than a year off. By the time those displays release, you'll start hearing about newer panels coming out next year (and possibly OLED ones as I suggested) and then you have to decide yet again, whether to buy now or wait. This cycle just keeps on repeating itself. If the product fits your needs at this time, I say buy it. If not, then wait for DP 1.3. For me, DP 1.3 doesn't add much. The main reason to hold off I would say is if you prefer VA over IPS.

It's also worth mentioning there are no new high refresh rate IPS panels on the horizon, so X34/PG may be the only IPS option for quite awhile.
Edited by x3sphere - 2/6/16 at 10:58am
post #504 of 1177
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I don't upgrade every year either. I just don't think the X34 or PG348Q are a bad purchase even though DP 1.3 displays are a little less than a year off. By the time those displays release, you'll start hearing about newer panels coming out next year (and possibly OLED ones as I suggested) and then you have to decide yet again, whether to buy now or wait. This cycle just keeps on repeating itself. If the product fits your needs at this time, I say buy it. If not, then wait for DP 1.3. For me, DP 1.3 doesn't add much. The main reason to hold off I would say is if you prefer VA over IPS.

DP 1.3 is quite awful, do not expect any decent DP 1.3 monitors this year, also do not expect any 4K 21.9 OLED monitors until 2018, then you will have to wait until DP 1.4 for 4K 21.9 OLED, which might not be until 2019 or 2020

There is not much difference between 100hz and 144hz, so the AU Optronics panels will not be that good (also AU Optronics VA panels have awful response times) so we need DP 1.4 now
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There is not much difference between 100hz and 144hz, so the AU Optronics panels will not be that good (also AU Optronics VA panels have awful response times) so we need DP 1.4 now

What about that 190hz SDR mention in the picture? I wonder what that means
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Also saying that the ASUS PG348Q and ACER Predator X34 are not worth it, is your opinion, I think £1000 is fine for these monitors as they are new and include features most people want in a monitor, if you think it is not worth it, do not buy it.

Like I've said, there are TWO meanings to the word "worth". A PC monitor is not a piece of artwork simply worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it... whether that be £1 or £20million! This is a tangible, quantifiable piece of technology, utilising an old(ish) panel that is far from perfect in respect to BLB, glow and the scan line issue which has bothered many users. You can quite easily attribute a 'value' or 'worth' to this monitor based on these factors, and that is considerably below the price being charged. However, the OTHER meaning to the word "worth" virtually ignores these factors, and simply comes down to an emotional response and desirability factor... at which point the "worth" is very much in the eye of the beholder... cheap for some, spot on for others, or perhaps still too high. Two very different meanings though, and I was referring to the former, not the latter.
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Like I've said, there are TWO meanings to the word "worth". A PC monitor is not a piece of artwork simply worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it... whether that be £1 or £20million! This is a tangible, quantifiable piece of technology, utilising an old(ish) panel that is far from perfect in respect to BLB, glow and the scan line issue which has bothered many users. You can quite easily attribute a 'value' or 'worth' to this monitor based on these factors, and that is considerably below the price being charged. However, the OTHER meaning to the word "worth" virtually ignores these factors, and simply comes down to an emotional response and desirability factor... at which point the "worth" is very much in the eye of the beholder... cheap for some, spot on for others, or perhaps still too high. Two very different meanings though, and I was referring to the former, not the latter.

In my opinion it is worth the cost, considering the panel is not that old and it is the best panel available, we are not comparing the panel, we are looking at the monitor, as the standard panel does not use 100hz and Gsync

It is just opinion, some people might want to pay £1000 for it, others might not want to, I would even pay £2000 for a 4K 21.9 OLED 100hz as i think it is worth it, many others will not pay it.
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What about that 190hz SDR mention in the picture? I wonder what that means

Nothing, as no panels are being produced and once you get over 100hz the difference is not that noticeable, when gaming.
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In my opinion it is worth the cost, considering the panel is not that old and it is the best panel available, we are not comparing the panel, we are looking at the monitor, as the standard panel does not use 100hz and Gsync

It is just opinion, some people might want to pay £1000 for it, others might not want to, I would even pay £2000 for a 4K 21.9 OLED 100hz as i think it is worth it, many others will not pay it.

You are using the word "opinion"... there is an aspect of 'worth' that has nothing to do with opinion. You are paying around £450 for an extra 40Hz and G-Sync. On paper, in respect to its intrinsic core value, this is NOT worth it. From a subjective emotional and 'desire' aspect, it may very well be... as you have stated it is for you, and it no doubt will be for others also. As I keep saying, there are TWO very different aspects and perfectly applicable definitions of the word "worth", which may run in contradiction to each other. You are not wrong, you're just speaking about this other meaning of the word.
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You are using the word "opinion"... there is an aspect of 'worth' that has nothing to do with opinion. You are paying around £450 for an extra 40Hz and G-Sync. On paper, in respect to its intrinsic core value, this is NOT worth it. From a subjective emotional and 'desire' aspect, it may very well be... as you have stated it is for you, and it no doubt will be for others also. As I keep saying, there are TWO very different aspects and perfectly applicable definitions of the word "worth", which may run in contradiction to each other. You are not wrong, you're just speaking about this other meaning of the word.

No you are using your opinion "On paper, in respect of it's intrinsic core value, this is NOT worth it" however I think it is worth it from a paper core value, there are only two monitors with these very important features, 100hz and Gsync
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