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Now, I expect you cannot really notice any difference between 144hz and 200hz, if you look online, many people say 120hz to 144hz is not really noticeable, as it is reaching a point where it cannot become any smoother and more fluid during gaming.

Well I am studying for a degree, so I could ask for a 100 page research paper, if you want to pay for it

You post a lot in these threads. I figured you would have had a 120 Hz or 144 Hz monitor by now, at least having tried your hand at one of the lotteries. Like Smokey the Bear said, plenty of "people online" say anything above 1080p 30 FPS requires super human vision to see any difference. You should experience these things first hand before making comments. It's not even just the refresh rate debacle, you do this a lot.

Also, every person is different. There's this other thread on here where people are saying they notice less input lag at 300 FPS than at 144. I can't even notice an input lag difference with V-Sync on. Sure, some people see no difference between 120 FPS and 144 FPS, but I do. Based on my experience, I'm guessing 144 FPS is my personal point of diminishing returns since it's just so damn fluid. Even more fluid than 120 FPS, yes, although both look so real, noticeably more real than 100 FPS.

Refresh rate also makes a huge difference with regard to blur reduction, which needs 120 Hz or more to actually be an improvement in my opinion (and definitely needs 120 Hz or more to look "clean"). Because this PG348Q is only 60 Hz out of the box though, I'm sure it's going to be like the X34 and have none. That's another strong reason to wait for the 3440 x 1440 144 Hz monitors, since the G-SYNC versions are going to have ULMB. Although my main reason for waiting is because the 144 Hz model is a VA panel which produces much better picture quality with no "IPS glow" (a real game killer combined with IPS's dark grey blacks) and far less backlight bleed. Also the extra curvature (2000R) is preferable to me.
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I am sure you could notice a difference up to about 500hz, IF you had a screen with 0.01ms response time and also IF you could run games at 3440x1440 at 500fps, or even 200fps, When they start releasing single graphics cards that can run modern games at 200+ FPS, then there will be a market for 3440x1440 200hz+ screens. But after about 300-500hz there will be not much difference.
Edited by Nicholars - 2/6/16 at 5:20pm
post #553 of 1177
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I think you've sufficiently exposed yourself at this point. smile.gif

Excuse me? I am really not sure why you are being loche towards me, when if you look at other forums or websites like WCCF or threads which do not involve monitors, I am very helpful in resolving problems. However I come on this thread and the amount of inaccurate information and guessing is just egregious (now waiting for the "well that is ironic" post)

Not addressing this just to you

I have tried 144hz monitors before, for example I have used a ASUS 1080p 144hz Gsync monitor, so please, do not assume I have not used one, you are taking it completely out of context.

IPS and VA picture quality is your opinion, some people might prefer IPS over VA, as AU Optronics VA has a large response times which is awful for gaming. "Even if the response time for white to black is low, it is often considerably higher between two dark tones, leading to Ghosting effects. Another weakness is the color reproduction, which in itself is better than TN but not as good as IPS." (tnpanel, 2011)

This arcticle clearly states IPS is better for colour reproduction. IPS models are very consistent which brings out the best ‘subtle shade variety’, allowing shades to remain very distinct and consistent regardless of their on-screen position. If you use an Advanced True Wide polarizer, this will improve blacks and eliminate IPS glow. Some models could use this later on. These new AMVA+ panels suffer from a bit of ‘gamma shift’ which causes the shades to appear slightly different towards the edges of the screen in particular. "As well as this off-centre contrast shift, the wide viewing angles often show more colour and contrast shift than competing IPS-type panels" (Baker, 2015) Of course VA has better contrast ratio, however this does have negative effects.

We have no confirmed specifications for the AU Optronics panel, it could turn out to be 100hz or a Gsync version might not come out until Q2 2017, this is the same for Samsung's panel, we have no idea how TFT Central got this information.

Also it seems unorthodox that Samsung is making two 3440x1440p 100hz panels, one started production in August 2015 and then other starts in Q3 2015, the only difference is 2000R to 1800R, refer to Figure 1

Figure 1

Samsung SVA ? 3440x1440 100Hz 21:9 Curved 2000R Aug-15
Samsung SVA ? 3440x1440 100Hz 21:9 Curved 1800R Q3 2016

(Baker, 2016)

I noticed as well that Q3 is the production start date, not the finished production date, so it might be even longer than Q1 2017 for the monitors.

If you look at Blurbusters, you will notice there is a small difference in motion blur between 100hz and 144hz, not this "massive" difference you are putting in your comments, if you refer to "Blurbusters" it will show this figure.

To conclude, can we stop saying these DP 1.2 is so "old" and that there is no point buying them, when there is going to be a long wait until we get decent DP 1.3 monitors, then do not forgot, we cannot get 4K 21.9 100hz on DP 1.3 (if these calculators take out overhead, if not, we might be able to get 100hz, not much higher though) so we will need to wait for DP 1.4, which will need a new GPU (do not expect Volta to be using DP 1.4) so it will be a long time before we get 4K 21.9 144hz

Reference list

Baker, S. (2015) Panel technologies - TN film, MVA, PVA, IPS, PLS. Available at: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm (Accessed: 7 February 2016).

Baker, S. (2016) TFT central monitor panel part database [Text]. Available at: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/monitor_panel_parts.htm (Accessed: 7 February 2016).

tnpanel (2011) TN vs. IPS vs. VA. Available at: http://www.tnpanel.com/tn-vs-ips-va/ (Accessed: 7 February 2016).
Edited by Metros - 2/6/16 at 5:23pm
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Can't wait for the "[Official] ASUS ROG Swift PG348Q Owner's club" thread to pop...

Me too. Then the opinion wars about the monitor can end and we can see the results of what actually comes out
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Well the panel and the failed 100 oc and the scalines and all the other crap the acer version has there's a point to be made.. with pushing a 60hz panel to 100hz.

Yeah it's not worth $1300 but if you want one then you'll pay. These panels are dirt cheap and they make a killing @ 1300. Monoprice has the same panel $499 75hz no gsync.. and they are making a profit smile.gif.

@ 1300 acer and asus are making 1000+ percent profit on these monitors.

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now that you put it that way i will not even buy asus what a rip.
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now that you put it that way i will not even buy asus what a rip.

So, there is likely a markup, but those numbers are complete nonsense. Just the G-Sync module alone adds a fair amount to the cost, FPGAs are not cheap.

If the panels are so cheap, it makes no sense that they've been out of stock numerous times for so long. At 1000%+ profit Acer would be dumb not to keep churning these out as quickly as possible.
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So, there is likely a markup, but those numbers are complete nonsense. Just the G-Sync module alone adds a fair amount to the cost, FPGAs are not cheap.

If the panels are so cheap, it makes no sense that they've been out of stock numerous times for so long. At 1000%+ profit Acer would be dumb not to keep churning these out as quickly as possible.

If something is cheap, it makes no sense that it's out of stock?? HUH? Acer do not make the panel, LG do. Acer can't churn out a monitor without a panel if that panel is not available due to it not being in stock.
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If something is cheap, it makes no sense that it's out of stock?? HUH? Acer do not make the panel, LG do. Acer can't churn out a monitor without a panel if that panel is not available due to it not being in stock.

Logic would dictate if Acer is making a massive profit, LG is as well. They don't sell panels at cost.

When you have a product that's making a massive amount of profit at a (supposedly) significant markup, the supply issues don't make sense. They would if the product was also cheap for consumers. At 1300, this monitor is not flying off the shelves.

Most likely, only a fraction of the panels LG produces are able to hit a high OC. If that is the case they are probably charging more for them. Yield rates being low would mean it is NOT cheap to produce this panel. Granted, LG can sell the panels that don't pass for high OC, like Nvidia or AMD sell lower end GPUs that don't qualify as fully enabled chips
Edited by x3sphere - 2/7/16 at 10:29am
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More images here

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1525050-1-1.html

This person can get 100hz as well
Edited by Metros - 2/7/16 at 10:32am
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More images here

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1525050-1-1.html

This person can get 100hz as well
Looking good cant wait biggrin.gif
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