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Well in my opinion by the time the scanlines become visible (still not actually visible at normal viewing distance) you have much worse things to worry about eg. you are using a frigging horrible framerate on a 100hz monitor...

Maybe yours was a really bad example then, but I have never seen one that still has scanlines at 100hz, they are basically gone at around 70fps.

Either you had an X34 that is worse than normal, have extremely good eyesight, sit extremely close to the screen, or have OCD.
Edited by Nicholars - 2/12/16 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by Striker444 View Post

Took the words right out of my mouth.
Looks like you missed my post in the X34 thread.... Before writing everyone off please remember that not everyone has the same severity for scanlines, my 2nd one had it less but still had enough for me to return it.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1573121/acer-predator-x34-displays-show-your-images-or-experience-here/390#post_24612597

But I think you are confusing things, the reason your other monitor looks more vibrant is because it has a glossy coating, that is basically the reason why, the scanlines *might* make a minor difference at low FPS, but its definately the glossy coating that is making the colors more vibrant on your other monitor, IMO the 34" LG IPS panels have a good AG coating and vibrant colors... maybe your monoprice monitor just has over saturated colors at the default settings.
post #813 of 1177
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Originally Posted by x3sphere View Post

Since it happens with G-Sync off, are the scanlines visible on the desktop then as well?

I think they are not as visible as for X34 on the desktop, it's very acceptable with my PG348Q.
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Originally Posted by Nicholars View Post

Please can you answer these questions :

1) Does the PG348Q have gamma options?

2) What is the backlight bleed and glow like? Please post pictures in dim or dark room.

3) Does it have any coil whine?

Thanks.

No gamma option and it's really annoying. I experienced the same thing with PG278Q. Acer X34 does have it and it seems Acer often provides gamma option with their monitors.
Colors are more washed out on PG348Q out of the box in comparison with X34 or Dell U3415W I still have at home for now.
Hopefully, it's possible to set up gamma in most games and we can use Reshade/Sweetfx to get a better image quality in games.
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Originally Posted by Smokey the Bear View Post

That is very disappointing man. Looks like the same case with the x34 where some people don't notice it, or possibly don't have it. I'd bet they all have to it varying degrees just like the x34.

Last week, I was almost certain PG348Q would not be different from X34 concerning scanlines, especially when I saw what Asus mentions at the end of the user manual : "side effects" (when panel overclocked)
But seeing some pictures with apparently no scanlines made me a bit more confident. I still don't understand how it's possible that all of the 21/9 Gsync monitors I owned had scanlines to varying degrees (5 X34 and one PG348Q)

More surprising, I see scanlines at 60hz native and even with Gsync OFF, they are less visible but definitely here whereas non existent with X34.

I'll play some games tomorrow and see how it degrades image quality (at different fps ranges)

ps - I posted a short review on the french forum you linked before wink.gif

edit : link --> http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/HardwarePeripheriques/Ecran/ces2016-pg348q-nvidia-sujet_67785_5.htm#t868052
Edited by Dr Mad - 2/12/16 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Mad View Post

I think they are not as visible as for X34 on the desktop, it's very acceptable with my PG348Q.
No gamma option and it's really annoying. I experienced the same thing with PG278Q. Acer X34 does have it and it seems Acer often provides gamma option with their monitors.
Colors are more washed out on PG348Q out of the box in comparison with X34 or Dell U3415W I still have at home for now.
Hopefully, it's possible to set up gamma in most games and we can use Reshade/Sweetfx to get a better image quality in games.
Last week, I was almost certain PG348Q would not be different from X34 concerning scanlines, especially when I saw what Asus mentions at the end of the user manual : "side effects" (when panel overclocked)
But seeing some pictures with apparently no scanlines made me a bit more confident. I still don't understand how it's possible that all of the 21/9 Gsync monitors I owned had scanlines to varying degrees (5 X34 and one PG348Q)

More surprising, I see scanlines at 60hz native and even with Gsync OFF, they are less visible but definitely here whereas non existent with X34.

I'll play some games tomorrow and see how it degrades image quality (at different fps ranges)

ps - I posted a short review on the french forum you linked before wink.gif

Get a calibrated profile for the monitor, once TFT central reviews it, then it will look the same or better than the ACER Predator X34

You seem to be comparing a calibrated monitor to an out of the box monitor
post #815 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Dr Mad View Post

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I think they are not as visible as for X34 on the desktop, it's very acceptable with my PG348Q.
No gamma option and it's really annoying. I experienced the same thing with PG278Q. Acer X34 does have it and it seems Acer often provides gamma option with their monitors.
Colors are more washed out on PG348Q out of the box in comparison with X34 or Dell U3415W I still have at home for now.
Hopefully, it's possible to set up gamma in most games and we can use Reshade/Sweetfx to get a better image quality in games.
Last week, I was almost certain PG348Q would not be different from X34 concerning scanlines, especially when I saw what Asus mentions at the end of the user manual : "side effects" (when panel overclocked)
But seeing some pictures with apparently no scanlines made me a bit more confident. I still don't understand how it's possible that all of the 21/9 Gsync monitors I owned had scanlines to varying degrees (5 X34 and one PG348Q)

More surprising, I see scanlines at 60hz native and even with Gsync OFF, they are less visible but definitely here whereas non existent with X34.

I'll play some games tomorrow and see how it degrades image quality (at different fps ranges)

ps - I posted a short review on the french forum you linked before wink.gif

edit : link --> http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/HardwarePeripheriques/Ecran/ces2016-pg348q-nvidia-sujet_67785_5.htm#t868052

Thanks a lot for your info!

That's extremely disappointing about the out-of-box colors and even more so the gamma control. The PG278Q had so many issues with gamma variance across different units that getting the right gamma played a part in that lottery. I wonder if it's the same thing here and why you are finding the image doesn't pop as much as it did on the x34. I do ultimately agree with your conclusion on the other forum though.

Let us know how it goes after you fiddle with the color settings!
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Originally Posted by Metros View Post

Get a calibrated profile for the monitor, once TFT central reviews it, then it will look the same or better than the ACER Predator X34

A TFT profile won't necessarily help. Every monitor is different and the profile they provided for the x34 was bad for 95% of the people who tried it. Really bad. It's better to make your own. He is also comparing out-of-box to out-of-box.
Edited by Smokey the Bear - 2/12/16 at 1:05pm
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post #816 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Nicholars View Post

Hmm well that picture on page 69 looks just a bad as the worst x34's...
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le ressenti réel est qu'il y a des perte de luminosité mais pas forcement aussi flagrante que sur la photo, je pense que mon téléphone a corrige automatiquement la luminosité, ou autre chose qui fait que c'est plus flagrant que vu réellement.
Approx translation: Real feel is there's bleeding but not as much as on pic. He thiks that his camera has automatically balanced so that bleeding is way more present on pic than in reality.
post #817 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Smokey the Bear View Post

Thanks a lot for your info!

That's extremely disappointing about the out-of-box colors and even more so the gamma control. The PG278Q had so many issues with gamma variance across different units that getting the right gamma played a part in that lottery. I wonder if it's the same thing here and why you are finding the image doesn't pop as much as it did on the x34. I do ultimately agree with your conclusion on the other forum though.

Let us know how it goes after you fiddle with the color settings!
A TFT profile won't necessarily help. Every monitor is different and the profile they provided for the x34 was bad for 95% of the people who tried it. Really bad. It's better to make your own. He is also comparing out-of-box to out-of-box.

For 95 percent, do you have a quote for that, as that does not seem accurate

You can take the ICC profile and change it, to something that is more accurate with better colours
Edited by Metros - 2/12/16 at 2:46pm
post #818 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Spiriva View Post

Omg this monitor is awesome, 100hz no problem, no dead/stuck pixels, no coil whine. Unlike the x34 the Asus works like a charm smile.gif

Does it provide a good out of the box colour when you used it, is it accurate
post #819 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Metros View Post

What is your colour like, out of the box, is it accurate
This question has no sense, as each and every has different sense of color: too much people like saturated vivid colors (settings made in TV shops to catch eye) and find that correct sRGB calibration is washed-out*.

edit: misunderstood your post, you're asking what colors "look like" and not if he "likes" his colors. My bad.

*not sure about this translation.
Edited by MasterDav - 2/12/16 at 2:52pm
post #820 of 1177
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Originally Posted by MasterDav View Post

This question has no sense, as each and every has different sense of color: too much people like saturated vivid colors (settings made in TV shops to catch eye) and find that correct sRGB calibration is washed-out*.

*not sure about this translation.

Colour and accuracy is down to opinion, colour is different for many people, we all perceive colours differently, therefore without hardware, it is down to opinion

Saying it is not accurate is your opinion, however I was asking Spiriva, if he thinks that it is accurate
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