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Originally Posted by Metros View Post

For 95 percent, do you have a quote for that, as that does not seem accurate

You can take the ICC profile and change it, to something that is more accurate with better colours, also I would have no clue on how to calibrate, as this is my first high end monitor

He's just saying, most of the time someone else's ICC profile will not be accurate for *your* monitor. Which is true. There is a high variance among units. Using TFTcentral's ICC profile is fine but it probably isn't going to get you accurate colors, and could even look worse than the default preset. I would recommend getting a calibration device to anyone spending $1300+ on a monitor that is the least bit concerned about color accuracy, it's only another $150-200 extra.

Also it's best not to rely on an ICC profile and make as many tweaks as you can from the monitor's OSD as a lot of times games don't honor the ICC profile, though this can be avoided with applications like Color Sustainer or by running in borderless windowed. This is a bit problematic with the Asus as it has no gamma adjustment, so you have to rely on the ICC profile more.
Edited by x3sphere - 2/12/16 at 3:04pm
post #822 of 1177
edited my post, misunderstood yours redface.gif
post #823 of 1177
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Originally Posted by x3sphere View Post

He's just saying, most of the time someone else's ICC profile will not be accurate for *your* monitor. Which is true. There is a high variance among units. Using TFTcentral's ICC profile is fine but it probably isn't going to get you accurate colors, and could even look worse than the default preset. I would recommend getting a calibration device to anyone spending $1300+ on a monitor that the least bit concerned about color accuracy, it's only another $150-200 extra.

Also it's best not to rely on an ICC profile and make as many tweaks as you can from the monitor's OSD as a lot of times games don't honor the ICC profile though this can be avoided with applications like Color Sustainer or by running in borderless windowed. This is a bit problematic with the Asus as it has no gamma adjustment, so you have to rely on the ICC profile more.

Indeed, I understand that it varies from each monitor and GPU

Perhaps I will get a colourimeter and any other device that is required for calibration

Is there a massive difference between calibration and out of the box, if we take the ACER Predator X34
post #824 of 1177
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Originally Posted by x3sphere View Post

He's just saying, most of the time someone else's ICC profile will not be accurate for *your* monitor. Which is true. There is a high variance among units. Using TFTcentral's ICC profile is fine but it probably isn't going to get you accurate colors, and could even look worse than the default preset. I would recommend getting a calibration device to anyone spending $1300+ on a monitor that is the least bit concerned about color accuracy, it's only another $150-200 extra.

Also it's best not to rely on an ICC profile and make as many tweaks as you can from the monitor's OSD as a lot of times games don't honor the ICC profile, though this can be avoided with applications like Color Sustainer or by running in borderless windowed. This is a bit problematic with the Asus as it has no gamma adjustment, so you have to rely on the ICC profile more.

Exactly this.

I would recommend using the OSD and using your eye before using someone's ICC profile. Of course a colorimeter is best.
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Is there a massive difference between calibration and out of the box, if we take the ACER Predator X34

The difference varies from unit to unit. From no difference to a huge difference. The two units I had improved after calibration, but not drastically so.
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post #825 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Smokey the Bear View Post

Exactly this.

I would recommend using the OSD and using your eye before using someone's ICC profile. Of course a colorimeter is best.
The difference varies from unit to unit. From no difference to a huge difference. The two units I had improved after calibration, but not drastically so.

Is it noticeable in games though, I understand it is noticeable in photo editing
post #826 of 1177
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Colour and accuracy is down to opinion, colour is different for many people, we all perceive colours differently, therefore without hardware, it is down to opinion

Saying it is not accurate is your opinion, however I was asking Spiriva, if he thinks that it is accurate

I think that out of the box it was good nothing to complain about for me. The colors looked good to me. Altho it was very bright so i had to turn that down abit.
post #827 of 1177
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Is it noticeable in games though, I understand it is noticeable in photo editing

Calibrating with a colorimeter device does and doesn't have any effect in games.

Using a colorimeter .... two stages are used. The first is to alter the basic settings of the monitor ie. the RGB to set your colour temp, contrast and brightness.
The second.... the software then changes the LUT ( look up table) of the graphics card to accurately produce the correct colours and gamma.

Now when playing games. Obviously any changes made to the monitors basic setting via the OSD will be present during game play.......but any changes made to the LUT by the software are not used. The game tends to use its own profile.
post #828 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Spiriva View Post

I think that out of the box it was good nothing to complain about for me. The colors looked good to me. Altho it was very bright so i had to turn that down abit.

I know it is down to opinion, however what brightness are you using, also what is the brightness deviance like at that brightness you use
post #829 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Dr Mad View Post

I think they are not as visible as for X34 on the desktop, it's very acceptable with my PG348Q.
No gamma option and it's really annoying. I experienced the same thing with PG278Q. Acer X34 does have it and it seems Acer often provides gamma option with their monitors.
Colors are more washed out on PG348Q out of the box in comparison with X34 or Dell U3415W I still have at home for now.
Hopefully, it's possible to set up gamma in most games and we can use Reshade/Sweetfx to get a better image quality in games.
Last week, I was almost certain PG348Q would not be different from X34 concerning scanlines, especially when I saw what Asus mentions at the end of the user manual : "side effects" (when panel overclocked)
But seeing some pictures with apparently no scanlines made me a bit more confident. I still don't understand how it's possible that all of the 21/9 Gsync monitors I owned had scanlines to varying degrees (5 X34 and one PG348Q)

More surprising, I see scanlines at 60hz native and even with Gsync OFF, they are less visible but definitely here whereas non existent with X34.

I'll play some games tomorrow and see how it degrades image quality (at different fps ranges)

ps - I posted a short review on the french forum you linked before wink.gif

edit : link --> http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/HardwarePeripheriques/Ecran/ces2016-pg348q-nvidia-sujet_67785_5.htm#t868052

I think that is the nail in the coffin then for the PG348Q.... I have no idea why asus keep doing that.

So from what I am hearing so far :

Bad

Scanlines around same as X34, (worse even according to some people)
Backlight bleed around same as X34, (2 images I have seen now look the same as a not great X34)
Worse speakers
No gamma options
£90 more expensive

Good

No coil whine (yet)
Bezel is a bit nicer, but the X34 is not bad anyway, not like the XB270HU for example (would be on a monitor arm so the stand is irrelevant)
OSD has a joystick

Overall it is not looking like the PG348Q is worth it over the X34, the X34 is possibly the better monitor, except for the bezel, logo / brand, OSD buttons and coil whine, which except for the coil whine, are more minor than no gamma options (whyyyyy) and worse speakers. The PG279Q and also the amount of bad stories about the PG278Q and various other Asus monitors, as well as a lot of reports about bad RMA service, have put me off Asus monitors a bit and also the ROG tax.
Edited by Nicholars - 2/12/16 at 5:56pm
post #830 of 1177
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Originally Posted by Dr Mad View Post


But seeing some pictures with apparently no scanlines made me a bit more confident. I still don't understand how it's possible that all of the 21/9 Gsync monitors I owned had scanlines to varying degrees (5 X34 and one PG348Q)

You say you had 5 x34.... Did the backlight bleed / glow vary on them much? Or did they all have the same thing where there is some bleed top left and bottom left, visible glow top and bottom left, and the right is usually OK... I have seen 3 and they have all been the same, some slightly better, some slightly worse.
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