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That's because of the glaring PCPer's bias and lack of professionalism. They should be setting a disclaimer on every of these articles saying that their conclusions are purely subjective.

Even most people here have first hand info brought by Peter and prefer to ignore it altogether.

Well that's the thing, some people have pretty horrible skills of observation and don't notice deterioration of smoothness when they see it. These are the same people we've seen comment on the forum, who claim they can't tell if GSYNC is on or not. So I mean you wouldn't want one of these kinds of people doing a comparison of Freesync vs GSYNC.

It has to be someone who is hypersensitive to changes in motion clarity otherwise a fair comparison can't be done. It does sound like the guys at PCPer know what to look for and Freesync is just not delivering (yet).
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Well that's the thing, some people have pretty horrible skills of observation and don't notice deterioration of smoothness when they see it. These are the same people we've seen comment on the forum, who claim they can't tell if GSYNC is on or not. So I mean you wouldn't want one of these kinds of people doing a comparison of Freesync vs GSYNC.

It has to be someone who is hypersensitive to changes in motion clarity otherwise a fair comparison can't be done. It does sound like the guys at PCPer know what to look for and Freesync is just not delivering (yet).

freesync vs gsync might not even be the issue here.

edit: It's about organizations throwing out opinion as facts, not limited to a single situation in which they may have merely overstated things, without having been outright wrong.

It's just, the statement you criticise isn't making a stand for freesync being equal to gsync for all intents and purposes, keep that in mind.
Edited by Tivan - 11/25/15 at 7:23am
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I strongly disagree.

I have 2 G-Sync monitors (at home) and a FreeSync monitor (on my work computer, with an older AMD card) and the low end difference before this driver was night and day. Even after this driver, when I came in early to update the driver and give it a dance, was still not as smooth as my G-Sync set up. Granted the variables are very different (GTX 980 at 1440p on a ROG Swift at home vs a 7970 at 1080p on a NX-VUE24 at work) and even running the same game with the same settings, other than resolution, the FreeSync experience wasn't near as good when I dropped out of range on BOTH monitors.

The Swift remained buttery smooth even down to 23-24 FPS during boss fights. The Vue, not so much. Yeah the cards are in different classes (and so are the monitors), but they both run about the same FPS on the same game, mainly because the more powerful card is running at 1440p and the older, less powerful card is only running 1080p.

I still think that G-Sync has an advantage at low FPS, but I will say that with the release of the Crimson driver, it is MUCH less of an advantage.

Still, having had my G-Sync for over a year now (and I was a late adopter), I don't regret a thing. It's given me a better year of gaming than if I just waited for AMD to FINALLY address a major issue ... like it also took them with DirectX 9, which appears (I can't test it yet myself) to finally be fixed.


IF AMD keeps improving things, I may very well get a 27" 1440p or 4K FreeSync monitor and a next generation card (it all depends on how they stack up against Pascal) and move BACK to Team Red in 2016 ... and yank the old GTX 580's from my wife's computer, move my GTX 980 over, and replace her standard 24" monitor with my 27" ROG Swift.

What sorcery is this. HD 7970 does not even support FreeSync.
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What sorcery is this. HD 7970 does not even support FreeSync.

It supports freesync for video playback wink.gif But good catch.

Maybe the rumored improvement to overall performance outside of fps, in some cases, played its part for his experience, though.
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I strongly disagree.

I have 2 G-Sync monitors (at home) and a FreeSync monitor (on my work computer, with an older AMD card) and the low end difference before this driver was night and day. Even after this driver, when I came in early to update the driver and give it a dance, was still not as smooth as my G-Sync set up. Granted the variables are very different (GTX 980 at 1440p on a ROG Swift at home vs a 7970 at 1080p on a NX-VUE24 at work) and even running the same game with the same settings, other than resolution, the FreeSync experience wasn't near as good when I dropped out of range on BOTH monitors.

The Swift remained buttery smooth even down to 23-24 FPS during boss fights. The Vue, not so much. Yeah the cards are in different classes (and so are the monitors), but they both run about the same FPS on the same game, mainly because the more powerful card is running at 1440p and the older, less powerful card is only running 1080p.

I still think that G-Sync has an advantage at low FPS, but I will say that with the release of the Crimson driver, it is MUCH less of an advantage.

Still, having had my G-Sync for over a year now (and I was a late adopter), I don't regret a thing. It's given me a better year of gaming than if I just waited for AMD to FINALLY address a major issue ... like it also took them with DirectX 9, which appears (I can't test it yet myself) to finally be fixed.


IF AMD keeps improving things, I may very well get a 27" 1440p or 4K FreeSync monitor and a next generation card (it all depends on how they stack up against Pascal) and move BACK to Team Red in 2016 ... and yank the old GTX 580's from my wife's computer, move my GTX 980 over, and replace her standard 24" monitor with my 27" ROG Swift.

I was not aware that the HD 7970 supported In-Game FreeSync?
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Wait a second, there are ULMB implementations that work on AMD? I'm using a VG248QE with the Strobelight utility to turn on LightBoost with my Radeon. I'm interested in a monitor upgrade, but absolutely want to have the high refresh rates with a motion blur eliminating backlight - for me it's more important than Freesync. I've googled around a bit and seem to only see confirmations that you cannot use ULMB with AMD hardware. Do these particular manufacturers have their own name for it? Got any sources to link?

Eizo Motion240
Benq Motion Blur Reduction
I forget what LG calls their own but it is rarely implemented like Eizo. The choices unfortunately are still limited for gpu agnostic displays that can compete with ULMB.
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It supports freesync for video playback wink.gif But good catch.

Maybe the rumored improvement to overall performance outside of fps, in some cases, played its part for his experience, though.

Maybe it doesn't on games, it does on video, and I assumed it would for games as well. I guess I'll have to borrow another card and redo my test.

Why in the hell would AMD make it work on one aspect but not another? Just to sell new cards? That's lame.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 11/25/15 at 7:30am
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Maybe it doesn't on games, it does on video, and I assumed it would for games as well. I guess I'll have to borrow another card and redo my test.

HD 7970 so good it gives impression of FreeSync.
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Maybe it doesn't on games, it does on video, and I assumed it would for games as well. I guess I'll have to borrow another card and redo my test.

Why in the hell would AMD make it work on one aspect but not another? Just to sell new cards? That's lame.
The 7970 came out long before FreeSync monitors.
It's a limitation of the display controller.
I guess they rather give users something rather than nothing.
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Maybe it doesn't on games, it does on video, and I assumed it would for games as well. I guess I'll have to borrow another card and redo my test.

Why in the hell would AMD make it work on one aspect but not another? Just to sell new cards? That's lame.

No it's a hardware limitation. Remember, FreeSync came out 2.5 years after the HD 7000 series.
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