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Nah the Schiit stack or any dac amp for that matter will bypass your on board sound. You can even go as far as disabling on the bios... as I have.
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If you REALLY want to benefit from HD800s, the CHEAPEST amp you can get away with is a Schiit Valhalla but that's not how you're going to get the best experience with them. The cheapest amp I would personally run is the Gustard H10, which has 10X or so the power output of the Valhalla. Even then, you can do better. Most people running HD800s have spent $3000 or so on their DAC/amp setup. Cheapest DAC I would run with the HD800s to really get detail out of them personally would be a Schiit Bifrost Multibit or a TEAC UD 501, although people have used the Dragonfly/Jitterbug combo and had surprisingly good results for not a lot of money.

Keep in mind that the HD800 is a sterile, highly detailed headphone which is really unrivaled in terms of the amount of detail and instrument seperation it can pull out of a well recorded track, and if you want to get the absolute best experience from them you need to spend big bucks.

There are people out there who have the Sennheiser Orpheus, which is basically a package comprised of a $2000-3000 class pair of headphones and a $16000 amplifier. You get what you pay for.

Please don't run the schiit stack with HD800s. Don't even run it with HD650s. That's a setup for headphones up to around the $300 class after which it starts to fall flat on its face.

Could you get away with a $550 setup for HD800s? Yes. Jitterbug/dragonfly/valhalla WOULD work and you WOULD enjoy it. Would it sound as good as a UD501 and a Gustard H10 at $1200? No, of course not. But the difference MAY be small enough for you not to care, depending on how good your hearing is. One thing you will definitely notice with the weaker amp though is a loss of authority and power to the sound. That much I can guarantee you.

Like I said, and many others said, in your other thread, the odds of you actually liking the sound of HD800s unless you are a die hard audiophile and somebody who likes listening to equipment as much as/more than listening to music are slim.
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Originally Posted by mistersprinkles View Post

If you REALLY want to benefit from HD800s, the CHEAPEST amp you can get away with is a Schiit Valhalla but that's not how you're going to get the best experience with them. The cheapest amp I would personally run is the Gustard H10, which has 10X or so the power output of the Valhalla. Even then, you can do better. Most people running HD800s have spent $3000 or so on their DAC/amp setup. Cheapest DAC I would run with the HD800s to really get detail out of them personally would be a Schiit Bifrost Multibit or a TEAC UD 501, although people have used the Dragonfly/Jitterbug combo and had surprisingly good results for not a lot of money.

Keep in mind that the HD800 is a sterile, highly detailed headphone which is really unrivaled in terms of the amount of detail and instrument seperation it can pull out of a well recorded track, and if you want to get the absolute best experience from them you need to spend big bucks.

There are people out there who have the Sennheiser Orpheus, which is basically a package comprised of a $2000-3000 class pair of headphones and a $16000 amplifier. You get what you pay for.

Please don't run the schiit stack with HD800s. Don't even run it with HD650s. That's a setup for headphones up to around the $300 class after which it starts to fall flat on its face.

Could you get away with a $550 setup for HD800s? Yes. Jitterbug/dragonfly/valhalla WOULD work and you WOULD enjoy it. Would it sound as good as a UD501 and a Gustard H10 at $1200? No, of course not. But the difference MAY be small enough for you not to care, depending on how good your hearing is. One thing you will definitely notice with the weaker amp though is a loss of authority and power to the sound. That much I can guarantee you.

Like I said, and many others said, in your other thread, the odds of you actually liking the sound of HD800s unless you are a die hard audiophile and somebody who likes listening to equipment as much as/more than listening to music are slim.

 

This is complete garbage and I'm sick of this pointless ignorance/elitism from people who don't even blind ABX test. Anyone who says that an expensive DAC/Amp is needed as a minimum has no idea what they are talking about. The difference any DAC/Amp makes is relatively subtle (if even audible at all) and orders of magnitude less than a headphone upgrade. Clean amplification is cheap.

 

Creative Sound BlasterX G5 -> Line Out -> Schiit Magni -> Sennheiser HD800

 

Sennheiser HD800 aren't even that hard to power so the Magni isn't actually required. The impedance may be high but the sensitivity is also quite high.

 

I recommend the Sound BlasterX G5 because it has 7.1 SBX Pro Studio virtual surround sound and stereo game audio is just awful the majority of the time. The promo code: BLASTG5 can currently be used on the Creative store for a significant discount.

 

The HD800 are absolutely worth buying if you can get them at a good price. You will not find anything that matches their imaging and clarity except perhaps some of the very high end Stax headphones.

 

The majority of "audiophiles" are useless at giving good advice and you'd get far better recommendations on /r/Headphones on reddit.


Edited by Dreyka - 12/17/15 at 4:09pm
post #14 of 19
I would agree with the Schiit Stack as a bare minimum or even the SBX G5 if the focus is purely gaming. I've read the reviews both professional and the user reviews from Head-Fi of the HD800 and would recommend you do the same as well if you have not. They are considered Reference grade headphones. If your source or any part of your listening setup is bad then the HD800 headphones *will* reproduce the unpleasantness in the source.

I will also agree that for gaming I would say they are complete overkill. If you were listening to high quality music all the time I'd say you could justify them, but not for gaming as the focus I personally use Shure SRH1840 and would wholeheartedly recommend them as a possible and more budget friendly alternative. They have a nice soundstage and they're not harsh at all. They're also very comfortable. I'm sure others can recommend high quality headphones for gaming as well.

While mistersprinkles is certainly not my favorite user on OCN as they are quite the elitist - I will agree with their statement of of the HD800 is your first set of "audiophile" grade headphones you'll probably find yourself not liking them as a whole. If you can audition them - or if your return policy is golden you're not harmed by trying them out at least but I would start in the mid-range of audiophile before dropping 1k on just a set of headphones. For 1k you can get a *very* nice setup in the mid-range of audiophile that you can build upon.
 
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I would agree with the Schiit Stack as a bare minimum or even the SBX G5 if the focus is purely gaming. I've read the reviews both professional and the user reviews from Head-Fi of the HD800 and would recommend you do the same as well if you have not. They are considered Reference grade headphones. If your source or any part of your listening setup is bad then the HD800 headphones *will* reproduce the unpleasantness in the source.

I will also agree that for gaming I would say they are complete overkill. If you were listening to high quality music all the time I'd say you could justify them, but not for gaming as the focus I personally use Shure SRH1840 and would wholeheartedly recommend them as a possible and more budget friendly alternative. They have a nice soundstage and they're not harsh at all. They're also very comfortable. I'm sure others can recommend high quality headphones for gaming as well.

While mistersprinkles is certainly not my favorite user on OCN as they are quite the elitist - I will agree with their statement of of the HD800 is your first set of "audiophile" grade headphones you'll probably find yourself not liking them as a whole. If you can audition them - or if your return policy is golden you're not harmed by trying them out at least but I would start in the mid-range of audiophile before dropping 1k on just a set of headphones. For 1k you can get a *very* nice setup in the mid-range of audiophile that you can build upon.

 

I really disagree on them being overkill for gaming. Nothing is overkill but everything is subject to diminishing returns.

 

When people start citing blind ABX tests as proof then I'll start caring about how "good" your DAC/Amp needs to be. The audiophile world is full of hot air that should be ignored with elitism and ignorance found everywhere.

 

The Shure 1840 are distortion cannons. Hifiman HE-400S/Sennheiser HD 600 are much better. HD800 are a level above in clarity, imaging and bass response but it's always hard to tell what average people think about that difference. Some think it's a significant difference and others don't. I think they're worth buying but I already have them so I would think that.


Edited by Dreyka - 12/17/15 at 4:47pm
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If you dont have very much experience with high end audio then i wouldn't recommend jumping into the deep end of the pool right away. Audio is very subjective and a sound signature someone else enjoys may not be to your liking.
I went from the hd595's to the hd650's (with that sweet bb employee discount) andbfor music there was a night and day difference with how much i enjoyed them. For gaming however, it wad much harder to pick out until in game music was playing.
Try to ease into the world of audio. Half the fun is being able to take different headphones, and listening to the differences between them.
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I also highly do not recommend jumping into the deep end of audio. The diminishing returns on audio is huge, not to mention highly subjective. For example, some people just like exaggerated bass so they can headbang with every song.

HD800 is a reference style headphone that is designed to present recordings as faithfully as possible. And that might not be your style.

For the $1000, I recommend buying several headphones and find your taste. Open vs closed, bass heavy vs bass light, size of soundstage, there are too many variables.
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Registering to try and bring some clarity here.

The HD800 are audiophile level headphones. There is no denying that within the HiFi community they are known to be extremely neutral which results in some people calling them "passionless". They are known for having one of the best if not the best(subjective) soundstages out there. They arent without their detractors nearly all of which is subjective and is highly connected to what content the headphones are being used for

Due to the fact that its a standard dynamic driver the headphones they can be a bit lacking in one of the most visceral ranges of audible sound - low end. The HD800 will do a great job letting you hear the a stand-up bass or a double bass but it will absolutely be lacking when it comes to feeling an explosion, especially if your coming from even a rudimentary setup with something that can move a lot of air like a sub woofer or high end tower speakers. The lack of impact is further exacerbated by the fact that HD800 is an open design - This greatly improves the sound stage and clarity but due to the fact that you don't basically have little tiny room on your head containing the sound waves the "boom" of explosions will be lessened.

Amp wise, yes you can run the HD800 off a Magni/Modi stack, yes you can run it off an iPhone. Sound quality will change depending on this. While many headphones can run from many different amps in many instances the amount of power the amp puts out will greatly affect the sound quality. For the coil in a dynamic driver to move the diaphragm you need energy, this can be a little or a lot(to a limit). Just as with a car where there is an optimal fuel/air mixture in the engine there is also an optimal amount of fuel(electricity)/air mixture in the headphone. To react to the impulse of the audio input signal you must have enough energy to transition between different frequencies as fast as needed. Having low amounts of power can result in flat sounding and muddy noise.

So yes - I would consider the Magni/Modi to be a minimal setup for the HD800 but if you keep on reading you'll find out why it doesn't actually matter especially in the context of gaming for the HD800.

Source, source, source. This is the king of all measures of how good something sounds. If your source sounds like crap its going to sound like crap no matter what you listen to it on. In fact in some cases it will sound even worse on high end gear because of the revealing nature of said gear. You'll hear compression, frequency cutoffs, gain issues, ect.

To the OP I would submit this advice.
  • Listen to them first at a store
  • Listen to them again at a store
  • The HD800 will likely have a price drop soon with the HD800S announced recently
  • Look into other headphones if gaming is your focus such as the HiFiMAN HE560 which is less expensive and will give you better "booms" in games.

Disclaimer: I am an audiophile. I've spent far more than I care to admit on gear across the range "just to see". My current headphone stack is Schiit Yggdrasil > Cavalli Liquid Carbon > HiFiMAN HE1000.
post #19 of 19
Games are severly lacking in sound these days, and headphones will not be the bottleneck for 7.1/5.1>stereo (HRTF).
Most people who played games on windows XP can probably relate.

I use hd800/hd600 for gaming myself, but I wouldn't say it's worthwhile to get a hd800 unless you really enjoy listening to various kinds of music.
I chose sennheisers because they're neutral sounding.
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