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post #311 of 2154
yeah... back when i got mine, z97s were still like, priced well... now haswell cpus are kinda going up in price comparatively and i'd assume the mobos too. i do like my sabertooth tho. still rock stable
post #312 of 2154
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Originally Posted by Estbarul View Post

Hello! I'm gaming the hell out of my 5775C, but lately came across a problem, Dota 2. I've played demanding games like Alien Isolation, The New Order, etc, and can't get Dota 2 not to crash. I have also a Z97n Gigabyte motherboard with the latets F7 BIOS installed. The games just crashes at random times while freezing, it has freezed with Dota opened up in full screen or even when I'm in the desktop after atl-tabbing out of the Dota 2 menu.

I have a laptop with a i3 3rd gen I think and a 650m and it runs like a champ, even the main Desktop with my Broadwell runs fine... when it doesn't crash. This is my PC (design) -read in Grahams voice- https://pcpartpicker.com/b/GZM8TW
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Originally Posted by MasterGamma12 View Post

Gigabyte boards are horrible with this cpu.

I had a Z97MX Gaming 5 and it randomly died while I had my 5775c in it.

I replaced it with an Asus board and all is well but the Gigabyte board was never stable with the cpu even at stock.
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Thanks for the reply, actually I had 1 stick of RAM dead a month or so after I bought it, and f*cking hell, today I boot and get like a whole minute boot (with the SSD that usually boots in like 7 seconds), and the desktop usage in chrome and so is super super laggy, idk if the cpu downclocked or if its again a RAM issue or what is going on, temp doesn't go past 55°C, idk any help?


Okay, now I'm scared. I think I need guidance. Dude, you said you were using the F7 bios version? Well, F8 release notes said '5th generation compatibility' and F9 (latest) said 'better 5th generation compatibility' so since I'm currently at F9 I hoped I wouldn't have any problems...

...but the thing is last night I was all excited with my new i7 and tested the i7-5775C for the first time and I got a big and nice bootloop that only stopped when I finally removed the mobo battery. After a long trial and error doing that and loading optimized options on BIOS, I managed to boot the cpu at stock with my RAID enabled and everything else on auto in BIOS and now it seems fairly stable. But only stock won't cut it for me guys...

...I was meaning to run it at 4.3 at all times (it's a gaming only rig) but when I set some safe settings (disable EIST, all C-states, Turbo Boost, set Vcore to 1.2 and VIN 1.8V, set multiplier to 40x) in order to overclock it, it boots normally but when I start any test, it throttles to stock and there it stays. I also have 16GB Patriot Viper memorys at 1600Mhz@1.5V (mobo default), since I read someone here had trouble with memory speed I'll leave that info as well. My cooling solution is a Corsair H110, so I guess temps are not a problem.


This Gigabyte mobo (Z97-D3H) overclocked like a charm my i5-4690k to a whooping 4.8Ghz with Turbo Boos disabled, and I really dont want to change this mobo because $$. I'm wondering if I you guys can help me solve this and stay with my shiny new Broadwell or if I'll have to return it (i have 7 days no questions asked starting today), or if it's a better game staying with my 4.8Ghz i5.


Please help guys. I just shelled $395 on this cpu.

Thanks in advance!
post #313 of 2154
asus... asus... asus... i'll tell anyone who has this cpu to just go with a asus mobo, the z97-a works just fine... my sabertooth is great for it... i just believe that they have the best bios settings for overriding the proper things and getting overclocks and power limits and whatever to function right

you DON'T DISABLE turbo boost. DON'T! that is the function that overclocks. my 5775c will only DO stock with turbo mode and turbo boost disabled. hell, i use EIST now just to have it cool off while i sleep since i have it on 24/7. i haven't had one issue



also, you won't get higher then 4.3ghz. if you DO then you are lucky or using LN... or your computer is lying to you and its not actually running stable at a higher clock.

ur previous is a i5, i'd stick it out with the 5775c. sometimes mobo bios settings have fancy names that are brand specific, but are actually intel specsheet settings... google every setting name and find out what does what. change one thing at a time and test

and i feel the same way, stock won't cut it for me either, i'll ONLY enjoy this CPU with the 4.3ghz overclock. if i wanted to run stock (i wouldn't but i'm just saying) i'd of gotten a 6700k instead of the 5775c at the time i did
Edited by navjack27 - 7/28/16 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by navjack27 View Post

asus... asus... asus... i'll tell anyone who has this cpu to just go with a asus mobo, the z97-a works just fine... my sabertooth is great for it... i just believe that they have the best bios settings for overriding the proper things and getting overclocks and power limits and whatever to function right

you DON'T DISABLE turbo boost. DON'T! that is the function that overclocks. my 5775c will only DO stock with turbo mode and turbo boost disabled. hell, i use EIST now just to have it cool off while i sleep since i have it on 24/7. i haven't had one issue



also, you won't get higher then 4.3ghz. if you DO then you are lucky or using LN... or your computer is lying to you and its not actually running stable at a higher clock.

ur previous is a i5, i'd stick it out with the 5775c. sometimes mobo bios settings have fancy names that are brand specific, but are actually intel specsheet settings... google every setting name and find out what does what. change one thing at a time and test

and i feel the same way, stock won't cut it for me either, i'll ONLY enjoy this CPU with the 4.3ghz overclock. if i wanted to run stock (i wouldn't but i'm just saying) i'd of gotten a 6700k instead of the 5775c at the time i did

Thanks for the quick reply, dude. I'll test your settings tonight. I never overclocked using any utilities, always directly into BIOS, but it seems that everyone here use XTU on a daily basis, so I'll give it a try.

I have a couple questions: those power and current numbers are specific values or you just set the slide right until max? also i wanted to know what is best to use, adaptive or static for voltage modes. Thanks, dude!
post #315 of 2154
Well I use the bios to set everything actually. Xtu is just used to show what your xtu should look like after you have everything set correctly in your bios. Yes, those are just max values. I switch between adaptive and manual mattering on how hot I am lol. Then I use throttlestop utility to set other stuff.... But that isn't needed and that's just me being insane. My CPU input voltage is set to 1.950 or so in the bios also along with the Asus VRM settings being tweaked a bit
Edited by navjack27 - 7/28/16 at 5:03pm
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Well I use the bios to set everything actually. Xtu is just used to show what your xtu should look like after you have everything set correctly in your bios. Yes, those are just max values. I switch between adaptive and manual mattering on how hot I am lol. Then I use throttlestop utility to set other stuff.... But that isn't needed and that's just me being insane. My CPU input voltage is set to 1.950 or so in the bios also along with the Asus VRM settings being tweaked a bit

Thanks again for your help navjack, but at this point I don't even know what's really going on, since there are a lot of variables in this equation. When I insert any incorrect settings on the BIOS, the system simply bootloops in the pre-post stage, so I have to pull out the mobo battery every time. It's very frustrating, and I don't feel that should be even happening, I mean, bootloop pre-post can't be a good sign. I tried XTU but there are some discrepancies. 'turbo boost short power max' isn't present in the bios options, for instance.

In order to stablish a baseline here, after I battery-reset the mobo and load optmized defaults, I only disable iGP and enable RAID, and then proceed into windows10. Also, my memory sticks (4x4GB) are auto set to x16 multiplier. This way I can boot into windows10 normally. From there I start my fiddling.

I'm suspecting my problems have something to do with my memory, cache or misc power configurations. Can you show me you load line calibration configuraiton, memory clock, system agent and dram voltage and c-state settings? maybe a picture of yous bios power settings? I really want to keep this cpu, but only if I can make it work at least at 4.2 in this mobo, otherwise I'll be better off with my i5 or a haswell i7.

Thanks again!
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Thanks again for your help navjack, but at this point I don't even know what's really going on, since there are a lot of variables in this equation. When I insert any incorrect settings on the BIOS, the system simply bootloops in the pre-post stage, so I have to pull out the mobo battery every time. It's very frustrating, and I don't feel that should be even happening, I mean, bootloop pre-post can't be a good sign. I tried XTU but there are some discrepancies. 'turbo boost short power max' isn't present in the bios options, for instance.

In order to stablish a baseline here, after I battery-reset the mobo and load optmized defaults, I only disable iGP and enable RAID, and then proceed into windows10. Also, my memory sticks (4x4GB) are auto set to x16 multiplier. This way I can boot into windows10 normally. From there I start my fiddling.

I'm suspecting my problems have something to do with my memory, cache or misc power configurations. Can you show me you load line calibration configuraiton, memory clock, system agent and dram voltage and c-state settings? maybe a picture of yous bios power settings? I really want to keep this cpu, but only if I can make it work at least at 4.2 in this mobo, otherwise I'll be better off with my i5 or a haswell i7.

Thanks again!

If it end up not working out, I could probably just sell you my old Asrock Z97 Extreme4 which worked amazingly with my 5775c.

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post #318 of 2154
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If it end up not working out, I could probably just sell you my old Asrock Z97 Extreme4 which worked amazingly with my 5775c.

Thanks for the offer, man. I'll really consider it. But first I want to exhaust all my options. Now...

Apparently I solved my bootloop problems setting a baseline over on bios (40x@1.2Vcore@1.92VRIN). Now theres the matter of Power Limit Throttling. I already set the max power and current values directly on bios, but when I boot into win10, it's like they're simply not there. The funny thing is, when I set the values via XTU, everything works as it should, no throttling. But the damn options simply don't persist between boots. What can I do, guys? I tried ThrottleStop to no avail, even though I'm not sure if it really helps or if I configured it correctly. Am I missing something? XTU options should stay between boots? Thanks again.
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Thanks for the offer, man. I'll really consider it. But first I want to exhaust all my options. Now...

Apparently I solved my bootloop problems setting a baseline over on bios (40x@1.2Vcore@1.92VRIN). Now theres the matter of Power Limit Throttling. I already set the max power and current values directly on bios, but when I boot into win10, it's like they're simply not there. The funny thing is, when I set the values via XTU, everything works as it should, no throttling. But the damn options simply don't persist between boots. What can I do, guys? I tried ThrottleStop to no avail, even though I'm not sure if it really helps or if I configured it correctly. Am I missing something? XTU options should stay between boots? Thanks again.

Honestly after what I went through on the dead Z97MX Gaming-5, my conclusion is that Gig board's simply don't support the cpu.

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Well, some updates for you guys. I finally found what was preventing XTU to change the Power Limits: damn hidden 'Secure Boot' option in bios. After that, I thought everything would be okay, although the Power Limit and Current Limit values I set on bios wasn't appearing on XTU when I booted (only the values set on XTU would make a difference, via bios no dice). I started to overclock and found that my chip is really bad at it. Managed to boot on 4.3 but only was reasonably stable with 4.2Ghz@1,350V. I was aiming for 3.7Ghz uncore, and got 1,225V. Hyper Threading always on, 2.0V VRIN, temps around 70C. My PSU is an AX760 ffs.

Then I went for the real test: my everyday games. Well, Witcher3 lasted about 5 minutes. After that, another crash. This time even removing the battery seems not to work. Pre-post bootloop every time. My fans stat to spin and the audio section led goes on, all for about 3s, then loop. This time I think I messed up, but everything was apparently fine on OCCT. I'm at work now, and tonight I'll try it again, but I think I'll have to use the dual bios. But I don't know what'll happen, because probably the second bios isn't updated for Broadwell. Do you guys know if I'll even be able to acess the bios given this situation?

I'm almost going for a AsRock mobo, I saw a Killer Fatality for $154 this week, second hand of course. It's a very stressful situation. Thanks guys.
Edited by realmister - 8/1/16 at 6:25am
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